[un1versal]

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As far as I understand, is the Android platform is the one at fault here, so what if I could write a addon that hunted these other problematic addons I would and then as a bonus would leave the users box properly configured and finally working as best possible as intended and everything else would be disabled or removed. Sort of like anti-virus for xbmc.

[natethomas]

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As far as I understand, is the Android platform is the one at fault here, so what if I could write a addon that hunted these other problematic addons I would and then as a bonus would leave the users box properly configured and finally working as best possible as intended and everything else would be disabled or removed. Sort of like anti-virus for xbmc.

As previously stated, we're not interested in actively disabling addons. From day 1, we've stated pretty clearly that we don't care what addons users use. The only thing we care about is that people don't automatically associate addons made by completely unrelated groups with the Team.

[petemcfc]

[As far as I understand, is the Android platform is the one at fault here, so what if I could write a addon that hunted these other problematic addons I would and then as a bonus would leave the users box properly configured and finally working as best possible as intended and everything else would be disabled or removed. Sort of like anti-virus for xbmc. Smile]

The banned devs @ ****hub might be interested in offering code to that retrofit.

[Piers]

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As far as I understand, is the Android platform is the one at fault here, so what if I could write a addon that hunted these other problematic addons I would and then as a bonus would leave the users box properly configured and finally working as best possible as intended and everything else would be disabled or removed. Sort of like anti-virus for xbmc.

I'm actually loving that idea - like a 'Clean-up XBMC' add-on. Entirely optional and for people who can't seem to get rid of the crappy installations bundled with their boxes, or who have certain repos installed and have their configuration/installation messed up.

See, we can agree on some things

As previously stated, we're not interested in actively disabling addons. From day 1, we've stated pretty clearly that we don't care what addons users use. The only thing we care about is that people don't automatically associate addons made by completely unrelated groups with the Team.

But this would be an entirely 100% optional add-on for people who accidentally purchased a box bundled with bird shit and now want it to be usable again.

[Karnagious]

I'm actually loving that idea - like a 'Clean-up XBMC' add-on. Entirely optional and for people who can't seem to get rid of the crappy installations bundled with their boxes, or who have certain repos installed and have their configuration/installation messed up.

So, an addon that installs the latest stable version of XBMC?

[Piers]

I'm actually loving that idea - like a 'Clean-up XBMC' add-on. Entirely optional and for people who can't seem to get rid of the crappy installations bundled with their boxes, or who have certain repos installed and have their configuration/installation messed up.

So, an addon that installs the latest stable version of XBMC?

Well sort of, an add-on that attempts to undo the damage caused by third party bird shit repos. Install -> back-up library -> remove Fusion -> edit sources.xml and other files to remove it from there -> delete add-ons that are meh etc.

It'll never happen as it's often seen as easier to do a fresh installation, but maybe a guide for backing up existing fusion/xbmchub/other related installations to keep the library/watched status and then explain how to use an official build and use those settings.

That seems the most proactive way to help people, rather than a Wiki page with FUSION IS xyz, a link to 'How to remove Fusion/othernamehere and use XBMC correctly' - I hope my point is coming across.

If people want to use third party and pre-modified versions of XBMC - or piracy add-ons - that's entirely up to them, the problem is when those people come here asking for support which goes back to the title and topic of this post. A simple guide explaining how to 'revert' whilst retaining an existing library would be more helpful than moving a post to the rubbish bin.

[LazerBlue]

I'm actually loving that idea - like a 'Clean-up XBMC' add-on. Entirely optional and for people who can't seem to get rid of the crappy installations bundled with their boxes, or who have certain repos installed and have their configuration/installation messed up.

So, an addon that installs the latest stable version of XBMC?

Well sort of, an add-on that attempts to undo the damage caused by third party bird shit repos. Install -> back-up library -> remove Fusion -> edit sources.xml and other files to remove it from there -> delete add-ons that are meh etc.

It'll never happen as it's often seen as easier to do a fresh installation, but maybe a guide for backing up existing fusion/xbmchub/other related installations to keep the library/watched status and then explain how to use an official build and use those settings.

That seems the most proactive way to help people, rather than a Wiki page with FUSION IS xyz, a link to 'How to remove Fusion/othernamehere and use XBMC correctly' - I hope my point is coming across.

If people want to use third party and pre-modified versions of XBMC - or piracy add-ons - that's entirely up to them, the problem is when those people come here asking for support which goes back to the title and topic of this post. A simple guide explaining how to 'revert' whilst retaining an existing library would be more helpful than moving a post to the rubbish bin.

It might work if the original seller tweaked the version of XBMC to work well with the hardware (does that actually happen?).

[Ned Scott]

Just going to repeat when I just commented on facebook:

To clarify something here, Team XBMC doesn't care where you get your media from. We don't care if you pirated it, bought it, killed a nun to get it, whatever. The team member who wrote the above facebook post should have worded this better, but the main point of his message is still correct, that XBMC often gets unfairly labeled one way or another, when in reality we are neutral.

Let me repeat that:

XBMC is neutral.

Just like your TV can be used for porn or not, and no one goes around saying "TVs are only used for porn!" in front of your grandmother. In kind, please spread the word that XBMC is just the media player and not a source of content.

Team XBMC won't prevent you from using XBMC however you want, but we will try to protect our image by telling people this simple truth.

This isn't a moral stance. This is just to keep our asses out of hot water and to accurately reflect what XBMC really is. Believe it or not, hundreads of thousands of users every day use XBMC for totally legal uses. If you want to use XBMC to watch a pirated movie, more power to you, but it's none of our business.


EDIT: and yes, the post on facebook shouldn't have said "you should only use legal videos", because we honestly don't care, but the bulk of the message is still correct.

[Ned Scott]

XBMC is not in the Google Play store because it is not ready for it. When it's ready, then and only then will appear there.

Err, no, it's only not being submitted because of the size issue. There's also some question about if Dolby will have a cow about us software decoding their audio codecs or not. I understand normally saying "when it's ready" when people ask, but that really doesn't apply here.

[Piers]

Just going to repeat when I just commented on facebook:

To clarify something here, Team XBMC doesn't care where you get your media from. We don't care if you pirated it, bought it, killed a nun to get it, whatever. The team member who wrote the above facebook post should have worded this better, but the main point of his message is still correct, that XBMC often gets unfairly labeled one way or another, when in reality we are neutral.

Let me repeat that:

XBMC is neutral.

Just like your TV can be used for porn or not, and no one goes around saying "TVs are only used for porn!" in front of your grandmother. In kind, please spread the word that XBMC is just the media player and not a source of content.

Team XBMC won't prevent you from using XBMC however you want, but we will try to protect our image by telling people this simple truth.

This isn't a moral stance. This is just to keep our asses out of hot water and to accurately reflect what XBMC really is. Believe it or not, hundreads of thousands of users every day use XBMC for totally legal uses. If you want to use XBMC to watch a pirated movie, more power to you, but it's none of our business.


EDIT: and yes, the post on facebook shouldn't have said "you should only use legal videos", because we honestly don't care, but the bulk of the message is still correct.

Why is this even still open/alive.

In that case, Team XBMC has made its position more than clear, I see no need for further suggestions, complaints or discussion on the matter.

[nooryani84]

Even after beer... this is annoying. Can someone lock this thread? I don't see anything constructive other than people venting and repeating the obvious.

Edit: Or leave it open.. I think a lot of these suggestions from certain users sound fascist. Who gives a fuck where people get the media they play, just don't associate it with XBMC, if you do then it's on your own accord.

[Ned Scott]

Again, "annoying" is not a violation of forum rules. If it was, I'd probably would have been kicked out long ago ;)

[nickr]

Even after beer... this is annoying. Can someone lock this thread? I don't see anything constructive other than people venting and repeating the obvious.

Edit: Or leave it open.. I think a lot of these suggestions from certain users sound fascist. Who gives a fuck where people get the media they play, just don't associate it with XBMC, if you do then it's on your own accord.

Click "unsubscribe"

[nooryani84]

You're right, its not a violation and I shouldn't have reacted like that. Sorry about my behavior, I'll think it through before responding like that again.

[tekno]

I think there is a point not well made in this thread

First, let us compare where xbmc is where Napster was years ago.

It was in fact Napster that forced record labels into seeing a valid distribution medium (internet) for music. Now whatever that guys name was could have been billed a hero or a criminal. It was a fine line, and in the end he was a hero. There was probably tons of open source code in the napster foundation.

Now for xbmc which seems to be forcing the hand of alternate video distribution... Much like napster was many years ago but now with video, even HD video. While the Netflix of the world do not allow their product to be compatible with xbmc this will only force the issue of "alternative" add ons . I have no desire to buy a roku or apple TV 3 , or new smart Tv to view netflix for a monthly fee when I can buy a Raspberry Pi and get so much more for free . Besides that xbmc is in fact the most unified cross platform universally compatible program of its kind- Great work from all here.

Additionally, let us compare that with YouTube. So you think Youtube is a legal site? Really? Look closer because you may not be seeing legal content like you may think. For instance I have seen history channel and Discovery channel TV episodes there . Are they legally authorized copies? I seriously doubt it. I think if the devs of xbmc want to draw the line at the youtube add on they should be made aware of all of the illegal content there.

It is also noteworthy that I am not i the USA. Here in Mexico I can buy a Pirated DVD about three blocks from most any location near a city, and in fact legitimate DVDs are a very small fraction of the market when pirates are sold openly. I know it is not that way in the USA but not everyone lives in the USA and some of us have even left the USA because we did not like the direction it is going. Just like trying to extradite a UK national from the UK to USA under US copyright law while he (alleged perpetrator) never stepped foot on US soil in his life. So now the US is trying to force the hand of International law that benefits only private (US) industry

Also the motion picture and recording companies lobbied the US government heavily to criminalize copyright infringement under federal law. Previously it was illegal in most states for states to use government resources to litigate civil losses. Civil losses were all that record labels and movie companies could claim prior to criminalizing piracy. The states were forced, many against their will, to begin criminal prosecution for what was previously considered a civil case . So now governments in the USA spend money to protect big business while exaggerating losses at the expense of the convicted. There are no federal laws to protect US citizens from civil losses so why should there be for big business?

By the way I am a long time xbmc user that is constantly trying to come up with the perfect system and I have been known to assemble and sell systems , and that is well within my right even if I want to put grey add ons in it because in Mexico your US copyright laws are not enforced. If I was somehow criminally guilty of making that content available , then I suppose Bill Gates and Google are too as that same content is view-able in their web browsers. In fact some browsers like chrome can not even claim any 3rd party involvement because the videos play with the built in flash in chrome. This just goes to show how the copyright infringement business has now gone, and the fact that it will only stop at (and for) big business.

So you see it becomes a complicated topic when you see how laws and attitudes vary by country, and when you step back an see how it has all evolved from laws to napster to youtube and xbmc , not to mention all of the add ons that we can not mention here . Just consider that (especially those of you in the USA) you have been conditioned to think a certain way with propaganda all around you. Your freedom is being inhibited by large corporations that will hold you criminally accountable for a copy of a video while many folks in the rest of the world are really far more free in that regard. Meanwhile your government keeps reminding you of your freedom while continuing to chip away at it

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Just going to repeat when I just commented on facebook:

To clarify something here, Team XBMC doesn't care where you get your media from. We don't care if you pirated it, bought it, killed a nun to get it, whatever. The team member who wrote the above facebook post should have worded this better, but the main point of his message is still correct, that XBMC often gets unfairly labeled one way or another, when in reality we are neutral.

Let me repeat that:

XBMC is neutral.

Just like your TV can be used for porn or not, and no one goes around saying "TVs are only used for porn!" in front of your grandmother. In kind, please spread the word that XBMC is just the media player and not a source of content.

Team XBMC won't prevent you from using XBMC however you want, but we will try to protect our image by telling people this simple truth.

This isn't a moral stance. This is just to keep our asses out of hot water and to accurately reflect what XBMC really is. Believe it or not, hundreads of thousands of users every day use XBMC for totally legal uses. If you want to use XBMC to watch a pirated movie, more power to you, but it's none of our business.


EDIT: and yes, the post on facebook shouldn't have said "you should only use legal videos", because we honestly don't care, but the bulk of the message is still correct.

Does Microsoft warn US citizens that they can go to prison for using internet Explorer because It can see illegal content whether piracy or kiddie porn? Why then should team xbmc be so concerned. Oh that's right Microsoft has more money to buy USA justice.