(2016-10-12, 17:55)Koying Wrote:Good to know. I have always used a launcher and hit the remote's home button to return to SPMC/Kodi.(2016-10-12, 17:51)mjbxx Wrote: Curious, how is your Shield TV set up for allowing an Android app to exit back into Kodi?
Nothing to be setup. If an app is launched thru Kodi, Kodi stays "under" the app in the stack, so exiting the app will get you back in Kodi.
(2016-10-12, 17:55)Koying Wrote:(2016-10-12, 17:51)mjbxx Wrote: Curious, how is your Shield TV set up for allowing an Android app to exit back into Kodi?
Nothing to be setup. If an app is launched thru Kodi, Kodi stays "under" the app in the stack, so exiting the app will get you back in Kodi.
(2016-10-12, 17:56)Tinwarble Wrote: 1. Yes, the Shield supports YCbCr (was enabled in 3.2, see 1st post). However, there is an issue currently were it will default back to RGB when auto refresh rate switching is used (will be fixed in next update).I once read that there are problems with 23,976 playback on certain configurations? Is that only if you have an 4K screen and 1080p playback or is it due to the HDMI 2.0 interface?
(2016-10-12, 17:33)Powerhouse Wrote:(2016-10-12, 09:40)maskedrider Wrote: 3. Is there a way to start netflix and amazon tv out from the kodi interface?
thx,
maskedrider
So for this question, actually, I do launch both Netflix and Amazon TV through Kodi (16.1), it's super easy to setup, and will work with any Android App (and the best part, when you exit the App, your back in Kodi).
In Kodi, go to Programs, Android programs, then add them to your Favorites. You can then create a shortcut for these apps (if your Skin will allow it, I'm using Aeon MQ7), so you can launch them from your home screen within Kodi.
(2016-10-13, 12:53)DaMacFunkin Wrote: You asked is the does the Device support YCbCr in 4:4:4 at 24hz
Tinwarble replied yes but there is a bug where it will revert back to rgb with refresh rate switching.
This isn't the answer you require because the last update introduced YCbCr at only 4:2:0 in 50hz or 60hz, this is because there is no support for 4K 10 bit 4:2:0 @ 24 hz in the specification for HDMI 2.0a, it isn't actually a bug.
Unless he actually meant to say that Nvidia is introducing support for 4K YCbCr in 4:4:4 in the next update.
(2016-10-13, 18:47)Tinwarble Wrote:(2016-10-13, 12:53)DaMacFunkin Wrote: You asked is the does the Device support YCbCr in 4:4:4 at 24hz
Tinwarble replied yes but there is a bug where it will revert back to rgb with refresh rate switching.
This isn't the answer you require because the last update introduced YCbCr at only 4:2:0 in 50hz or 60hz, this is because there is no support for 4K 10 bit 4:2:0 @ 24 hz in the specification for HDMI 2.0a, it isn't actually a bug.
Unless he actually meant to say that Nvidia is introducing support for 4K YCbCr in 4:4:4 in the next update.
No, the question was asked if it supported YCbCr 4:4:4 for 1080p, and it does. 4K was not asked about so there was no need to mention it.
(2016-10-14, 17:50)maskedrider Wrote: Ok, so YCbCr 4:4:4 at 1080p is working at all framerates. 4K could be a question in a year or so, but since there will be several updates it should be fine.
wesk05 Wrote:I don't know how many times this has to be repeated.
HDMI 2.0/a/b doesn't have bandwidth to support 4K 50/59.94/60Hz RGB or YCbCr 4:4:4. It can only do 8-bit at those refresh rates.
On supported TVs, Shield sets the output to 10-bit 4K 50/59.94/60Hz YCbCr 4:2:0 when UHD Color/Deep Color etc. is enabled.
(2016-10-14, 17:50)maskedrider Wrote:(2016-10-13, 18:47)Tinwarble Wrote:(2016-10-13, 12:53)DaMacFunkin Wrote: You asked is the does the Device support YCbCr in 4:4:4 at 24hz
Tinwarble replied yes but there is a bug where it will revert back to rgb with refresh rate switching.
This isn't the answer you require because the last update introduced YCbCr at only 4:2:0 in 50hz or 60hz, this is because there is no support for 4K 10 bit 4:2:0 @ 24 hz in the specification for HDMI 2.0a, it isn't actually a bug.
Unless he actually meant to say that Nvidia is introducing support for 4K YCbCr in 4:4:4 in the next update.
No, the question was asked if it supported YCbCr 4:4:4 for 1080p, and it does. 4K was not asked about so there was no need to mention it.
Ok, so YCbCr 4:4:4 at 1080p is working at all framerates. 4K could be a question in a year or so, but since there will be several updates it should be fine.
(2016-10-14, 22:51)sjchmura Wrote: Is YCbCr 4:4:4 the same quality as rgb limited or rgb extended? 4:4:4 has no compression loss of quality vs 4:2:0 correct?
Quote:Many current Blu-ray players offer a range of output color spaces, for example “4:2:2”, “4:4:4”, “RGB”, etc., and most displays can handle all or most of those spaces. At some point, all video has to be converted to RGB, and the video on the disc is always stored in 4:2:0 Y’CbCr, so the choice of which color space to output from the player is really a choice as to which device will do which portions of the color conversion process. The whole conversion chain is 4:2:0 Y’CbCr to 4:2:2 Y’CbCr to 4:4:4 Y’CbCr to RGB (which is sometimes redundantly called “4:4:4 RGB”). In real processing chips, some of those steps may be combined for speed, but conceptually those are the processing stages. So if you output 4:2:2 Y’CbCr from the player, the display will do the rest, converting to 4:4:4 Y’CbCr and then to RGB.
You might think that it shouldn’t matter which device does the conversion, but it turns out that there can be large differences between different devices’ color conversion hardware. For example, some displays convert whatever they receive to 4:2:2 Y’CbCr so they can do signal processing (usually because they’re working with an off-the-shelf chip that can’t handle anything else). So if you feed these displays RGB your processing chain gets extra complex: 4:2:0->4:2:2->4:4:4->RGB->4:4:4->4:2:2->4:4:4->RGB. Since each conversion involves small degradations to the picture, this is not an optimal approach. With those displays, you’re usually better off sending 4:2:2 and letting the display do the processing and conversion. And that’s just one issue; there are innumerable ways that either the player or the display can make mistakes or degrade the signal in processing, making it impossible to recommend a general approach.
(2016-10-15, 00:06)Tinwarble Wrote:(2016-10-14, 22:51)sjchmura Wrote: Is YCbCr 4:4:4 the same quality as rgb limited or rgb extended? 4:4:4 has no compression loss of quality vs 4:2:0 correct?
Suggested reading from the Spears & Munsil site: http://spearsandmunsil.com/portfolio/get...nchmark-2/
But here's a snippet.
Quote:Many current Blu-ray players offer a range of output color spaces, for example “4:2:2”, “4:4:4”, “RGB”, etc., and most displays can handle all or most of those spaces. At some point, all video has to be converted to RGB, and the video on the disc is always stored in 4:2:0 Y’CbCr, so the choice of which color space to output from the player is really a choice as to which device will do which portions of the color conversion process. The whole conversion chain is 4:2:0 Y’CbCr to 4:2:2 Y’CbCr to 4:4:4 Y’CbCr to RGB (which is sometimes redundantly called “4:4:4 RGB”). In real processing chips, some of those steps may be combined for speed, but conceptually those are the processing stages. So if you output 4:2:2 Y’CbCr from the player, the display will do the rest, converting to 4:4:4 Y’CbCr and then to RGB.
You might think that it shouldn’t matter which device does the conversion, but it turns out that there can be large differences between different devices’ color conversion hardware. For example, some displays convert whatever they receive to 4:2:2 Y’CbCr so they can do signal processing (usually because they’re working with an off-the-shelf chip that can’t handle anything else). So if you feed these displays RGB your processing chain gets extra complex: 4:2:0->4:2:2->4:4:4->RGB->4:4:4->4:2:2->4:4:4->RGB. Since each conversion involves small degradations to the picture, this is not an optimal approach. With those displays, you’re usually better off sending 4:2:2 and letting the display do the processing and conversion. And that’s just one issue; there are innumerable ways that either the player or the display can make mistakes or degrade the signal in processing, making it impossible to recommend a general approach.
(2016-10-18, 00:13)Tinwarble Wrote: FYI: The Shield 16GB version is back in stock in the Nvidia Store.
https://shield.nvidia.com/store/android-...ixGF100416
(2016-10-18, 00:18)Axxel6307 Wrote: Get it from best buy. They gave me free remote in with the basic package that supposed to be controller only. Mine was online purchase last week but someone else said same thing happened in the store. They didn't advertise it as included, so it sure was a nice surprise unboxing.
