2013-02-01, 17:28
Lol - i reformulate - "Now when Frodo is released you guys should do a one year vacation" - really impressive how rude some people are latly ...
2013-02-01, 17:43
(2013-02-01, 17:28)Memphiz Wrote: Lol - i reformulate - "Now when Frodo is released you guys should do a one year vacation" - really impressive how rude some people are latly ...
Indeed. Well let me start with a month then
2013-02-01, 20:06
I only mean it should have a higher priority than other things like timeshift because it's a basic thing that needs to work.
Many countries still use Teletext atleast for the SD channels and it's not only the PVR part that need it, many people want to watch on their recordings from the boxes in XBMC. I have some sample file of a recording if needed.
It wasn't ment to be rude or something like that like the answer was and ofcourse you people earn some vacation.
Many countries still use Teletext atleast for the SD channels and it's not only the PVR part that need it, many people want to watch on their recordings from the boxes in XBMC. I have some sample file of a recording if needed.
It wasn't ment to be rude or something like that like the answer was and ofcourse you people earn some vacation.
2013-02-03, 12:30
I determine my own priorities and this is not one of them right now. Patches are welcome
2013-02-03, 22:10
I like XBMC but without proper support to play .ts files it's not a working solution for me and many others in nordic countries for example.
I will just use something else instead or get a cheap mediacentero that can handle it correctly.
It's not only for PVR part as i said. XBMC as a mediacenter should have proper support for TS files.
XBMC should already handle this correctly even before PVR part was merged because this problem is with the TS files and not the PVR part itself.
Maybe a little worse while streaming because of more buffering but main problem is that subtitles need to be delayed 2-3 secs on ts recordings.
But best solution would be automatic subtitles like any other subtitle.
Ofcourse i would have sent a patch if i knew how to fix this.
I will just use something else instead or get a cheap mediacentero that can handle it correctly.
It's not only for PVR part as i said. XBMC as a mediacenter should have proper support for TS files.
XBMC should already handle this correctly even before PVR part was merged because this problem is with the TS files and not the PVR part itself.
Maybe a little worse while streaming because of more buffering but main problem is that subtitles need to be delayed 2-3 secs on ts recordings.
But best solution would be automatic subtitles like any other subtitle.
Ofcourse i would have sent a patch if i knew how to fix this.
2013-02-04, 13:58
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2013-02-05, 19:28
Sad to hear that this is so low in the priority list. As leatherface says the Nordic countries users teletex on many channels (around 75%of the channels I have uses teletext) and my children isn't old enough to have learned English yet, or French, or German. For my part it ok without sub, but not for my children and their friends. So xbmc will unfortunately not be the only system to use, I will still have to use my dreambox for watching tv. If I had have any knowledge about coding I would have tried to patch this, but I don't, so have to set my hope on you guys.
2013-02-05, 23:25
Even if many maybe can english there can be words that is hard to understand sometimes and maybe want to watch a movie late and of that reason need subtitles if they not want angry neighbours.
A lot of people are hearing impierad and need subtitles because of that.
Even german people can need subtitles sometimes if they're are hearing impeared.
I had it working earlier with tvheadend but that's not same thing because i used a virtual tuner that works as a tv card and getting the channels demuxed while recrdings and streams isn't. So support för teletext subtitles is there but not for TS files and streams.
Reason i don't use that instead is that it's not so stable over internet because i have not upgraded to 100/100 yet.
And tvheadend doesn't help for TS recordings and i record a lot and watch when i have time.
A lot of people are hearing impierad and need subtitles because of that.
Even german people can need subtitles sometimes if they're are hearing impeared.
I had it working earlier with tvheadend but that's not same thing because i used a virtual tuner that works as a tv card and getting the channels demuxed while recrdings and streams isn't. So support för teletext subtitles is there but not for TS files and streams.
Reason i don't use that instead is that it's not so stable over internet because i have not upgraded to 100/100 yet.
And tvheadend doesn't help for TS recordings and i record a lot and watch when i have time.
2013-02-06, 14:15
I remeber this was a problem some years ago on Dreambox as well. They had a "sub delay" option in one of the menues, which was 1,2,3,4 sec or so (option). As far as I know this is solved many years ago, but maybe this solution or the solution now in use could somehow be adopted by XBMC?
For me the lack of subtitles is a gamestopper. The same goes for most of my friends/family. Working subtitles are a absolute minimum for this to be a one box solution for, I guess, most of the people outside a native English speaking country or a country dubbing the sound. This lack is realy sad. The user interface and the possibilities on XBMC are fantastic.
Keep up the good work, and give us subs
For me the lack of subtitles is a gamestopper. The same goes for most of my friends/family. Working subtitles are a absolute minimum for this to be a one box solution for, I guess, most of the people outside a native English speaking country or a country dubbing the sound. This lack is realy sad. The user interface and the possibilities on XBMC are fantastic.
Keep up the good work, and give us subs
2013-02-06, 14:25
TVheadend supports teletext subs because the backend converts them to plain text and that's what it sends to XBMC.
2013-02-06, 17:47
(2013-02-06, 14:25)Uukrul Wrote: TVheadend supports teletext subs because the backend converts them to plain text and that's what it sends to XBMC.No need to convert teletext subs because it's already plain text.
DVB subs are pictures so that's another thing.
Personally i like Teletext better because i can choose font, color, size etc myself and with pictures that's harder even if you can manipulate it a little atleast to get it better. openpli team for example have option to change color table so you get transparacy for example on dvb subs.
(2013-02-06, 14:15)madammim Wrote: I remeber this was a problem some years ago on Dreambox as well. They had a "sub delay" option in one of the menues, which was 1,2,3,4 sec or so (option). As far as I know this is solved many years ago, but maybe this solution or the solution now in use could somehow be adopted by XBMC?This was only a problem in 2SUB (or gSUB on enigma1 boxes) and that plugin had an option to have delay on recordings between 1-10 secs.
For me the lack of subtitles is a gamestopper. The same goes for most of my friends/family. Working subtitles are a absolute minimum for this to be a one box solution for, I guess, most of the people outside a native English speaking country or a country dubbing the sound. This lack is realy sad. The user interface and the possibilities on XBMC are fantastic.
Keep up the good work, and give us subs
On livetv it worked without delay and same thing with the internal subtitles in enigma2 it was better but the problem there was proper linebreaks for example so everyone still wanted to use the better 2SUB.
Now it's much better and acceptable in Enigma2 and openpli team has it's own rewritten subtitles that is much better than both 2SUB and DMM's internal subtitles.
The bad thing is that there is 2 versions of Enigma2 now, the one that DMM develops and the one openpli develops that is based on old code.
2013-02-06, 18:46
I know this was an issue on recordings, not live TV, but I just tought since the live TV is streamed to the XBMC it would be the same as a recording? The problem is for both recordings and live.
2013-02-06, 20:23
(2013-02-06, 17:47)Leatherface Wrote: No need to convert teletext subs because it's already plain text.
What I'm saying is that the tvheadend backend decodes the teletext stream, extracts the subs and the addon sends the subtitles in plain text format to XBMC, as you can see if you check the source code.
So adding support for teletext subtitles isn't something trivial and unless a motivated coder does it, it won't happen. And, of course, moaning and bitching won't help a bit.
2013-02-07, 00:19
(2013-02-06, 18:46)madammim Wrote: I know this was an issue on recordings, not live TV, but I just tought since the live TV is streamed to the XBMC it would be the same as a recording? The problem is for both recordings and live.Yes you're right a stream will act like a recording.
(2013-02-06, 20:23)Uukrul Wrote:Yes i know i was just saying it's already plain text but i know it's demuxing it in tvheadend plugin and is using ffmpeg that supports decoding teletext subtitles.(2013-02-06, 17:47)Leatherface Wrote: No need to convert teletext subs because it's already plain text.
What I'm saying is that the tvheadend backend decodes the teletext stream, extracts the subs and the addon sends the subtitles in plain text format to XBMC, as you can see if you check the source code.
So adding support for teletext subtitles isn't something trivial and unless a motivated coder does it, it won't happen. And, of course, moaning and bitching won't help a bit.
Streams and TS recordings need to be demuxed in same way and read the teletext stream and that's something that would be possible for vuplus addon or any other addon but that part for demuxing needs a lot of work i guess but when that part works then teletext support is easy what i can see in the tvheadend code.
But even if that was added in addon it doesn't help when someone want to play a TS recording directly in XBMC for that it needs support in XBMC itself. So best thing would be support in XBMC and API for the addons for it.
And yes moaning and bitching as you call it helps sometimes in DMM case it helped but it took a few years to fix proper linebreaks and some other things
I know many that agree with me about this and want this but most people don't say anything.
XBMC can do almost everything today that other mediacenters are missing but a basic thing to play TS files properly it doesn't.
