[hoopsdavis]

Krusty, one feature I'vd like to request. When watching live tv and a show starts recording on a different channel than what you're watching. Is it possible to add the feature to tune to the channel being recorded instead of getting the message "Stream Timeout" and the picture freezing.

The recording does start but I think tuning to that channel would make more sense. (If it can be done)

presumably this (changing to the channel that scheduled recording just started on) should only happen if you dont have enough available tuners to continue watching live TV whilst this other recording occurs?

I do have two tuners, but if I'm watching live tv from tuner "A" and the show that'll start recording is also on tuner "A", then I think the channel should tune to the channel being recorded. If I'm watching tuner "B" and a show starts recording on tuner "A" then there's no reason to change the channel, there will be no interruption while watching a different tuner.

[scarecrow420]

Krusty, one feature I'vd like to request. When watching live tv and a show starts recording on a different channel than what you're watching. Is it possible to add the feature to tune to the channel being recorded instead of getting the message "Stream Timeout" and the picture freezing.

The recording does start but I think tuning to that channel would make more sense. (If it can be done)

presumably this (changing to the channel that scheduled recording just started on) should only happen if you dont have enough available tuners to continue watching live TV whilst this other recording occurs?

I do have two tuners, but if I'm watching live tv from tuner "A" and the show that'll start recording is also on tuner "A", then I think the channel should tune to the channel being recorded. If I'm watching tuner "B" and a show starts recording on tuner "A" then there's no reason to change the channel, there will be no interruption while watching a different tuner.

When you say the show to record is also on Tuner A, you mean on the same channel right? So you mean if you are watching channel 7 and then a show you scheduled to record on channel 7 occurs, that at the moment your live stream dies?

[hoopsdavis]

presumably this (changing to the channel that scheduled recording just started on) should only happen if you dont have enough available tuners to continue watching live TV whilst this other recording occurs?

I do have two tuners, but if I'm watching live tv from tuner "A" and the show that'll start recording is also on tuner "A", then I think the channel should tune to the channel being recorded. If I'm watching tuner "B" and a show starts recording on tuner "A" then there's no reason to change the channel, there will be no interruption while watching a different tuner.

When you say the show to record is also on Tuner A, you mean on the same channel right? So you mean if you are watching channel 7 and then a show you scheduled to record on channel 7 occurs, that at the moment your live stream dies?

No, sorry I didn't explain better. I'm watching channel 7 on tuner "A", show starts to record on channel 9 also tuner "A", I'd like to see when channel 9 starts to record, change to that channel automatically instead of channel 7 stream timing out. (currently channel 7 would just freeze)

[scarecrow420]

I do have two tuners, but if I'm watching live tv from tuner "A" and the show that'll start recording is also on tuner "A", then I think the channel should tune to the channel being recorded. If I'm watching tuner "B" and a show starts recording on tuner "A" then there's no reason to change the channel, there will be no interruption while watching a different tuner.

When you say the show to record is also on Tuner A, you mean on the same channel right? So you mean if you are watching channel 7 and then a show you scheduled to record on channel 7 occurs, that at the moment your live stream dies?

No, sorry I didn't explain better. I'm watching channel 7 on tuner "A", show starts to record on channel 9 also tuner "A", I'd like to see when channel 9 starts to record, change to that channel automatically instead of channel 7 stream timing out. (currently channel 7 would just freeze)

I suppose i dont understand how digitial broadcast works then! why would channel 7 and 9 both be on tuner A and leave tuner B unused? I assumed you can watch channel 7 on tuner A while tuner B records channel 9. You are saying that you cant simultaneously use 7 and 9 even if you have a dual tuner?

[hoopsdavis]

When you say the show to record is also on Tuner A, you mean on the same channel right? So you mean if you are watching channel 7 and then a show you scheduled to record on channel 7 occurs, that at the moment your live stream dies?

No, sorry I didn't explain better. I'm watching channel 7 on tuner "A", show starts to record on channel 9 also tuner "A", I'd like to see when channel 9 starts to record, change to that channel automatically instead of channel 7 stream timing out. (currently channel 7 would just freeze)

I suppose i dont understand how digitial broadcast works then! why would channel 7 and 9 both be on tuner A and leave tuner B unused? I assumed you can watch channel 7 on tuner A while tuner B records channel 9. You are saying that you cant simultaneously use 7 and 9 even if you have a dual tuner?

Tuner "A" carries my digital (set-top-box) channels, while tuner "B" carries my Clear_Qam channels.

[scarecrow420]

Oh right... I've got dual tuners but only a single dvb-t ota broadcast source. If you have 2 tuners but 2 sources then you sort of only have single tuner capability on each source ...

I suppose regardless of number of tuners and sources, you are basically highlighting a situation where no suitable tuners are available and a recording needs to occur, and you're requesting a particular behaviour in this event (allow the recording to trump live TV and change the live steam to the channel that is recording)

[awp0]

I'm late to the party, but I did read pretty much this entire thread. I have been running ArgusTV on Windows with a HDHomerun QAM tuner. I have Comcast and they will start encrypting all channels soon, so I have been thinking about a CableCard setup with an HDHomerun Prime. I *believe* (partly based on posts in this thread) that Comcast still has several "Copy Freely" channels, especially the local broadcast channels, which is what I want.

I'm trying to understand the advantage of using MCE as a backend (compared to ArgusTV). Is this pretty much it:
1. Free guide data (I pay monthly for Schedules Direct)
2. Potentially more stable
3. Easier to configure

Anything else? I will not magically get "Copy Once" or "Copy Never" content in this model, right? It's still limited to "Copy Freely"?

Thanks!

[scarecrow420]

I'm late to the party, but I did read pretty much this entire thread. I have been running ArgusTV on Windows with a HDHomerun QAM tuner. I have Comcast and they will start encrypting all channels soon, so I have been thinking about a CableCard setup with an HDHomerun Prime. I *believe* (partly based on posts in this thread) that Comcast still has several "Copy Freely" channels, especially the local broadcast channels, which is what I want.

I'm trying to understand the advantage of using MCE as a backend (compared to ArgusTV). Is this pretty much it:
1. Free guide data (I pay monthly for Schedules Direct)
2. Potentially more stable
3. Easier to configure

Anything else? I will not magically get "Copy Once" or "Copy Never" content in this model, right? It's still limited to "Copy Freely"?

Thanks!

Correct. There are no copy protection benefits to using WMC as the backend, although it has PlayReady capability and can decode some things, the recordings it makes (which is how this addon streams live TV) are still copy protected

Some of the other benefits are the scheduling/recording functionality offered by WMC such as "series recording" and also a wide support/drivers for tv tuner hardware and different types of broadcast lke DVB-S DVB-T QAM etc. I suppose most other backends will also support these formats though since these are provided by the windows tv programming layer etc

[papreston]

Hi

Installed the new server and client yesterday. Live TV seems to be working much better on my main HTPC and Laptop. No stutter on HD and the channel changing seems to be a little faster,

Still not having much luck with the Raspbmc build from the first message. I don't see the add-on in the last of PVR clients and I updated to the last nightly build and updated the firmware as outlined here... http://forum.stmlabs.com/showthread.php?tid=10508
I'm not very good with the Pi yet and it could be something on my end. I'll keep working on it.

Thanks again krustyreturns!!!! Looking forward to seeing what the future holds for this setup.

[krustyreturns]

I'm late to the party, but I did read pretty much this entire thread. I have been running ArgusTV on Windows with a HDHomerun QAM tuner. I have Comcast and they will start encrypting all channels soon, so I have been thinking about a CableCard setup with an HDHomerun Prime. I *believe* (partly based on posts in this thread) that Comcast still has several "Copy Freely" channels, especially the local broadcast channels, which is what I want.

I'm trying to understand the advantage of using MCE as a backend (compared to ArgusTV). Is this pretty much it:
1. Free guide data (I pay monthly for Schedules Direct)
2. Potentially more stable
3. Easier to configure

Anything else? I will not magically get "Copy Once" or "Copy Never" content in this model, right? It's still limited to "Copy Freely"?

Thanks!

Adding to what scarecrow said, the other main advantage, at least for me, is that it will run side by side with wmc. Its not really practical to have multiple pvr server/client solutions running and my family let it be known in no uncertain terms that we weren't getting rid of wmc.

The other thing this software can do, is the enable the server with tuners and remote dumb clients. All the other xbmc pvrs can do this, but wmc never could.

I'm kind of biased though.

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@Krusty, everyone sees that warning level 0 on their own posts, nothing to worry about as long as it stays at 0. ferrets log looks strikingly similar to my logs, wondering if it's the same problem which is weird as someone else stated they tuned the same channels without any problems.

So we are all brothers on that 'warning level' thing? Here all this time I thought it was my badge of shame. Ferret's log does look similar in that it can't find the stream info, but none of the streams have the encryption flag set true, so I don't think it can be the same cause.

[hoopsdavis]

I'm late to the party, but I did read pretty much this entire thread. I have been running ArgusTV on Windows with a HDHomerun QAM tuner. I have Comcast and they will start encrypting all channels soon, so I have been thinking about a CableCard setup with an HDHomerun Prime. I *believe* (partly based on posts in this thread) that Comcast still has several "Copy Freely" channels, especially the local broadcast channels, which is what I want.

I'm trying to understand the advantage of using MCE as a backend (compared to ArgusTV). Is this pretty much it:
1. Free guide data (I pay monthly for Schedules Direct)
2. Potentially more stable
3. Easier to configure

Anything else? I will not magically get "Copy Once" or "Copy Never" content in this model, right? It's still limited to "Copy Freely"?

Thanks!

Adding to what scarecrow said, the other main advantage, at least for me, is that it will run side by side with wmc. Its not really practical to have multiple pvr server/client solutions running and my family let it be known in no uncertain terms that we weren't getting rid of wmc.

The other thing this software can do, is the enable the server with tuners and remote dumb clients. All the other xbmc pvrs can do this, but wmc never could.

I'm kind of biased though.

Also adding to what Krusty and Scarecrow said, the most important addition for me while using serverWMC is the ability to have only NEW episodes of your scheduled series recordings done. Most pvr backends don't watch for the actual show you've scheduled, they just watch the time slot.

[krustyreturns]

Thanks for the tip re long pastes, I have edited the original post. Here is the link to the full log,

http://pastebin.com/y3AkvmZq

With regards to the sbe file, I have more than 100gb of free space so I am not worried, as long as they eventually clean themselves up I suppose. I haven't run the server for more than half a day at a time so far, so I dont know how well it will ultimately manage itself. But as I said, not a real issue atm, just wanted to provide the feedback.

Thanks for your help on this...

If you see a problem with the sbe files, please let me know - there are lots of different ways to handle the sbe.

I can't see why the channel is not working, somehow though the remuxer is not getting the stream info (its even more curious that scarecrow has no problem with the same channels). When you can, do an experiment for me
1) start a recording on one of these channels
2) once the recording starts, find the recording file in the 'recordings' section of xbmc and try to play it. NOTE its important to play it WHILE the recording is in progress.
3) let me know if it plays

The other ting you can do is create a 2 minute clip of a recording from this channel and get it to me (skydrive, dropbox, google drive) etc. Send me a link when its there.

[bry]

just out of curiosity - it would be cool to know what the various configurations are for the different users.

Service Provider
Tuner Hardware
Etc...

[krustyreturns]

I'm late to the party, but I did read pretty much this entire thread. I have been running ArgusTV on Windows with a HDHomerun QAM tuner. I have Comcast and they will start encrypting all channels soon, so I have been thinking about a CableCard setup with an HDHomerun Prime. I *believe* (partly based on posts in this thread) that Comcast still has several "Copy Freely" channels, especially the local broadcast channels, which is what I want.

I'm trying to understand the advantage of using MCE as a backend (compared to ArgusTV). Is this pretty much it:
1. Free guide data (I pay monthly for Schedules Direct)
2. Potentially more stable
3. Easier to configure

Anything else? I will not magically get "Copy Once" or "Copy Never" content in this model, right? It's still limited to "Copy Freely"?

Thanks!

Adding to what scarecrow said, the other main advantage, at least for me, is that it will run side by side with wmc. Its not really practical to have multiple pvr server/client solutions running and my family let it be known in no uncertain terms that we weren't getting rid of wmc.

The other thing this software can do, is the enable the server with tuners and remote dumb clients. All the other xbmc pvrs can do this, but wmc never could.

I'm kind of biased though.

Also adding to what Krusty and Scarecrow said, the most important addition for me while using serverWMC is the ability to have only NEW episodes of your scheduled series recordings done. Most pvr backends don't watch for the actual show you've scheduled, they just watch the time slot.

Really they just watch the time slots? That's like using an old vcr.

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Hi

Installed the new server and client yesterday. Live TV seems to be working much better on my main HTPC and Laptop. No stutter on HD and the channel changing seems to be a little faster,

Still not having much luck with the Raspbmc build from the first message. I don't see the add-on in the last of PVR clients and I updated to the last nightly build and updated the firmware as outlined here... http://forum.stmlabs.com/showthread.php?tid=10508
I'm not very good with the Pi yet and it could be something on my end. I'll keep working on it.

Thanks again krustyreturns!!!! Looking forward to seeing what the future holds for this setup.

Sorry, but I have even less experience with raspbmc than you (i.e. zero). You should try posting on the raspbmc thread for this software.

[hoopsdavis]

just out of curiosity - it would be cool to know what the various configurations are for the different users.

Service Provider
Tuner Hardware
Etc...

I think you can see everything in my signature.

Service Provider: Cox Communications.

If there's anything missing let me know.

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Adding to what scarecrow said, the other main advantage, at least for me, is that it will run side by side with wmc. Its not really practical to have multiple pvr server/client solutions running and my family let it be known in no uncertain terms that we weren't getting rid of wmc.

The other thing this software can do, is the enable the server with tuners and remote dumb clients. All the other xbmc pvrs can do this, but wmc never could.

I'm kind of biased though.

Also adding to what Krusty and Scarecrow said, the most important addition for me while using serverWMC is the ability to have only NEW episodes of your scheduled series recordings done. Most pvr backends don't watch for the actual show you've scheduled, they just watch the time slot.

Really they just watch the time slots? That's like using an old vcr.

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Let me clarify, MP only watch time slots, but I'm pretty sure the others do the same.
Without addons and other configurations, I don't think any pvr backend can be scheduled to only record new episodes. (correct me if I'm wrong)