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krustyreturns · (This post was last modified: 2013-09-17, 17:32 by krustyreturns.)

(2013-09-17, 04:14)starsin2000 Wrote: My wife likes wmc so on the main tv it will be staying and we will continue to use it to record shows. Does the server software allow xbmc to pull the metadata from the wtv file so I can see what a show is about in the bedroom? Thanks.

Same with me, she will only use wmc. Years ago, getting her to switch to wmc from tivo was a struggle too - but what was cold turkey - I gave away all my tivos away. My kids are being won over to xbmc more easily.

As to your question, yes all the meta data that is available in wmc is available to all the the client machines. Whether you can see what you want to see, depends on xbmc and in some cases the skin you use.

(2013-09-17, 03:41)drewscm Wrote: Also, Krusty you mention something about converting the file a page back or so, has there been any thoughts about converting the stream so that we could stream over the internet at a lower bit rate?

Not really. As you can see from this thread we have plenty to work on just getting the basics going. I look forward to working on interesting new features in the future though - if I can ever get there.

bwall244 · 2013-09-17, 17:57

Krusty I can't thank you enough! I have recently gotten into the PVR side of XBMC and had started with NextPVR which did not operate as well as I had expected. For the most part everything has been working great with a few exceptions. I have been using the Margo build with decent channel changing times and plan on upgrading to the most recent release from you this week, hopefully that will help even more. I do however have a problem that I'm sure is my doing. On every restart my manually added channel logos are cleared and have to be redone. Also I have never used WMC before this and am curious as to if the streams can be located on a NAS and Recordings created there. Basically my HTPC that I have XBMC and WMC running on has a SSD that I try to leave as much room as possible on and I would like to locate as much of it on my unraid server as possible. Again thank you, and I would be glad to help in any way that I can!

hoopsdavis · (This post was last modified: 2013-09-17, 18:43 by hoopsdavis.)

(2013-09-17, 17:09)krustyreturns Wrote:
(2013-09-17, 08:37)ferretlegs Wrote: When I was testing this I started channel 7 recording in WMC (not xbmc) and then verified I could play that in xbmc while it was recording. So I thought it might have worked because maybe wmc was now using another (working) tuner to do this recording if wmcserver had already spun up the dud tuner? Or does "spun up" not mean it is exclusive to wmcserver?

Ah I see. If you have multiple tuners in the same tuning space I don't know of a way to 'pick' the tuner, it just takes whichever tuner is available. One way to force it, is to start a recording on one of them, then live-tv can only use the other one.

(2013-09-17, 08:37)ferretlegs Wrote:
(2013-09-17, 02:38)scarecrow420 Wrote: Ive also had some strange recording issues. I selected from the current channel's program list (fly out screen on the right, under confluence) to record the current show and it actually set a recording for the show that follows it, in about 30 miunutes time

Sorry for not being clear Krusty, what scarecrow says above is what is basically happening to me - right clicking the current channel-list channel (which is on the left for me) and pressing start recording schedules the next show, instead of immediately recording the current show. I don't know any other way to record actually (I'm still new to xbmc)

hope this all makes sense

I never start recordings this way, so this morning I tried it a lot and I can't reproduce it, it always seems to work. Even when there is only 5 minutes left in the show that is currently on it records those 5 minutes. Does this happen to you consistently or just sometimes? Try this, using the 'timeline' view of the guide, set it to record a half hour show that is not on now and see if it selects the correct show, or the show that comes after. Do this by right clicking on the show in the time line view. Let me know.

(2013-09-17, 05:23)hoopsdavis Wrote:
(2013-09-14, 19:33)krustyreturns Wrote: In order to enable the addon to set 'series' recording and 'cancel' series recordings do the following:

Install:
If you look in the ‘resources’ folder of the addon you will see two xml skin files I created for confluence.
These files need to be manually added to the confluence skin folder, or you can do what I did, and just create symbolic
link to these files in the confluence folder.

If you aren't using confluence you can add these files to the skin folder you are using, but the dialogs will look funky
since they are designed for confluence (they should work though). You can modify these files to look right in whatever
your skin of choice is if you are so inclined.

Use:
So once installed, when try to record a show after the initial confirmation, a new dialog will open (if it’s a tv series)
asking if you want to record the series. Similar for when you go to delete a timer, if it’s a series timer, it will ask
you if you want to delete the whole series-timer.

Guys, here's the links for the xml files modified to work with the Arctic skin
(Use the steps listed above)

DeleteTimer.xml -- http://ubuntuone.com/7Ou9fHEtA4cM6Gll63IxNQ
RecordPrefs.xml -- http://ubuntuone.com/2IBsH0yJ0g7MzcWvuOyoK9

On the next Arctic update the conditions will be added.

That is so cool Hoops, thanks for making this happen. How do they look? And does navigation to the 'ok' and 'cancel' buttons work using the remote?

Everything works like a charm, looks great. And yes you can access "ok" and "Cancel" using the remote.

I highly recommend this skin.

**bry** · 2013-09-17, 18:56

+1 for not recording to the local ssd drive.

krustyreturns · 2013-09-17, 19:03

(2013-09-17, 17:57)bwall244 Wrote: Krusty I can't thank you enough! I have recently gotten into the PVR side of XBMC and had started with NextPVR which did not operate as well as I had expected. For the most part everything has been working great with a few exceptions. I have been using the Margo build with decent channel changing times and plan on upgrading to the most recent release from you this week, hopefully that will help even more. I do however have a problem that I'm sure is my doing. On every restart my manually added channel logos are cleared and have to be redone. Also I have never used WMC before this and am curious as to if the streams can be located on a NAS and Recordings created there. Basically my HTPC that I have XBMC and WMC running on has a SSD that I try to leave as much room as possible on and I would like to locate as much of it on my unraid server as possible. Again thank you, and I would be glad to help in any way that I can!

'Every restart' means every restart of the server, or xbmc, or the computer? This is probably an issue with my software, so more info would help. I designed the software to use the channel logos found in wmc (see a few posts back where I described how it is supposed to work). I have not spent time finding out what happens if you manually add channel logos in xbmc, but I can believe that the way I am doing it is breaking this. I will need to spend some time on this - really I have to spend more time on channel logos in general because lots of people seem to be having trouble with it. I will add it to the bug list.

As for the NAS, wmc should be able to use it, just go to the tv settings in wmc and point it at the folder you want to use for storing new recordings. When you restart the server it should find the new location.

**bry** · 2013-09-17, 19:21

(2013-09-17, 19:03)krustyreturns Wrote: As for the NAS, wmc should be able to use it, just go to the tv settings in wmc and point it at the folder you want to use for storing new recordings. When you restart the server it should find the new location.

unfortunately last time I tried this WMC does not support recording to NAS.

hoopsdavis · 2013-09-17, 19:23

(2013-09-17, 17:57)bwall244 Wrote: Krusty I can't thank you enough! I have recently gotten into the PVR side of XBMC and had started with NextPVR which did not operate as well as I had expected. For the most part everything has been working great with a few exceptions. I have been using the Margo build with decent channel changing times and plan on upgrading to the most recent release from you this week, hopefully that will help even more. I do however have a problem that I'm sure is my doing. On every restart my manually added channel logos are cleared and have to be redone. Also I have never used WMC before this and am curious as to if the streams can be located on a NAS and Recordings created there. Basically my HTPC that I have XBMC and WMC running on has a SSD that I try to leave as much room as possible on and I would like to locate as much of it on my unraid server as possible. Again thank you, and I would be glad to help in any way that I can!

bwall224, as far as you manually added channel logos, the reason they're probably being cleared after a restart is due to naming, if you manually point to a logo it'll remain the until you restart, but if you name the logo correctly just as the channel is named, you should be fine. channel name 84 TVLAND, the logo should be labelled the same.

Hope this helps

spyder · (This post was last modified: 2013-09-17, 19:48 by spyder.)

(2013-09-17, 19:21)bry- Wrote:
(2013-09-17, 19:03)krustyreturns Wrote: As for the NAS, wmc should be able to use it, just go to the tv settings in wmc and point it at the folder you want to use for storing new recordings. When you restart the server it should find the new location.
unfortunately last time I tried this WMC does not support recording to NAS.

WMC will not record to a network drive(without some registry hacks), something about it not being reliable/fast enough. What I was doing was using a commercial removal program to move the files to the NAS and pointing wmc-pvr server recorded folder there.

bwall244 · 2013-09-17, 20:03

I will try to name the logos exactly the same as the channel and see fi that helps. I have not seen a way to manually add logos in WMC. I didn't really see the need in donating for the plugin as I'm only using OTA and have all of about 7 channels that I keep active.

As for clearing on restart, the client/server/xbmc all reside on the same htpc. Usually all are restarting at the same time. I need to sit down and restart each one on its own to see which one is clearing it.

That brings me to my next thought. Going to do some testing on this running on more than 1 box using the same tuner (HDHomeRun) when I get a chance. 1 Box is on WMC and 1 is on NextPVR right now.

I'm suprised that WMC won't sllow recording to a mapped network drive. I am able to stream live TV over a close range 5.0GHz wireless N connection. Which btw to my own suprise I have confirmed streaming a full BR ISO over N is completely possible.

hoopsdavis · 2013-09-17, 20:06

(2013-09-17, 20:03)bwall244 Wrote: I will try to name the logos exactly the same as the channel and see fi that helps. I have not seen a way to manually add logos in WMC. I didn't really see the need in donating for the plugin as I'm only using OTA and have all of about 7 channels that I keep active.

As for clearing on restart, the client/server/xbmc all reside on the same htpc. Usually all are restarting at the same time. I need to sit down and restart each one on its own to see which one is clearing it.

That brings me to my next thought. Going to do some testing on this running on more than 1 box using the same tuner (HDHomeRun) when I get a chance. 1 Box is on WMC and 1 is on NextPVR right now.

I'm suprised that WMC won't sllow recording to a mapped network drive. I am able to stream live TV over a close range 5.0GHz wireless N connection. Which btw to my own suprise I have confirmed streaming a full BR ISO over N is completely possible.

normally used http://www.mychannellogos.com/ to add logo to wmc, you can also add logos that are missing manually

Powerhouse · (This post was last modified: 2013-09-17, 20:36 by Powerhouse.)

Regarding TV Show recordings, I've encountered an interesting issue. In the EPG Guide in XBMC, I clicked ('C' I believe) to record the News (30 minutes show). When I got home, I see 2 recordings of the same News.

Now I have an HDHomerun Dual, and am wondering if perhaps XBMC (and or this plugin), caused both tuners to record the same show.

Also, is there an option with this plugin (or in XBMC), like in WMC, to record a series, or set record dates (Mon-Friday, etc)?

I'll test more tonight.

krustyreturns · 2013-09-17, 20:41

(2013-09-17, 20:35)Powerhouse Wrote: Regarding TV Show recordings, I've encountered an interesting issue. In the EPG Guide in XBMC, I clicked ('C' I believe) to record the News (30 minutes show). When I got home, I see 2 recordings of the same News.

Now I have an HDHomerun Dual, and am wondering if perhaps XBMC (and or this plugin), caused both tuners to record the same show.

Also, is there an option with this plugin (or in XBMC), like in WMC, to record a series, or set record dates (Mon-Friday, etc)?

I'll test more tonight.

Check the length of the two files.

Look back in this thread in last couple of pages to see notes about how to record series form xbmc.

Powerhouse · 2013-09-17, 20:58

Both recordings were the same length (like 34 minutes long).

I'm using the ACE skin, and the skin creator (MarcosQui) hasn't updated his skin with the PVR stuff yet (he is working on it for both ACE and Aeon). In the meantime, I've been using the fix (http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=171745), someone created for ACE (which works great btw). However, those two xml files you talk about are missing, so I will add them, thanks for the info on that.

krustyreturns · 2013-09-17, 21:13

(2013-09-17, 20:58)Powerhouse Wrote: Both recordings were the same length (like 34 minutes long).

I'm using the ACE skin, and the skin creator (MarcosQui) hasn't updated his skin with the PVR stuff yet (he is working on it for both ACE and Aeon). In the meantime, I've been using the fix (http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=171745), someone created for ACE (which works great btw). However, those two xml files you talk about are missing, so I will add them, thanks for the info on that.

Those two xml files are something I wrote so that I could implement series recording and deleting in xbmc, so most skins won't have them because they only work with this pvr. You can add them yourself but they will look weird if you don't adapt them to the current skin (or ask the skin author to).

Right now I can't think of why you got two recordings of the same show, please let me know if it continues.

Powerhouse · 2013-09-17, 21:52

Yeah, I will test tonight and let you know how the recordings go.

Regarding Recording vs Series Recording, again, using the fix for ACE, when I click on a show in the EPG, I'm prompted to 'Switch, Record, or OK'. The XML files that were updated, that allow this are...

DialogPVRGuideInfo.xml
MyPVR.xml
ViewsLiveTV.xml

and for your custom Series recordings, these 2 XML files are needed...

DeleteTimer.xml
RecordPrefs.xml

So when I click 'Record' from the first dialog box, will it then prompt me if I want to make this a Series Recording? Or will I have a new dialog box that says 'Switch, Record, Record Series, Ok'?