(2014-10-30, 14:22)Beckyb33 Wrote: So I donated, but didn't receive a log in. I pm'd the OP, is that the right person to message?
(2014-10-30, 15:20)Zacharybinx34 Wrote: Alright guys, I've spent countless hours working through this, but I finally got it to work correctly. I'm posting this information for anyone else who runs into the same problems I had since the responses I got here were.... let's just say, unhelpful....
Over the Air EPG DATA AND PTVL
If you are like me your PVR backend pulls in the channels as names that greatly differ from your EPG data retrieval tool. I use MC2XML.
Throughout these posts you will read that you should change your xmltv.xml file to match the channel names listed in PTVL, DO NOT DO THIS. It's pointless and the wrong way to go about it.
Whatever your PVR backend is, mine is NEXT PVR, open it and go to the settings where you can change channel names. This is where you want to change your channel names in step 3.
Do NOT listen to the advice here and try to change it in settings2.xml, that is pointless since you might want to re-autotune at some point thus wiping your settings2.xml and hard work out unless you do.
Now, finding the channel names is the part that is sort of a pain but I found an easy way to do it since some of them differ greatly than how they show up in NEXT PVR.
1. Open your xmltv.xml file that was generated from MC2XML and look at the each channel entry. Those are all of the OTA channels available in your general area. Depending on your reception, some might not show up in your actual PVR.
Begin with the first channel and copy the name that appears in there. For example, mine was KMSPDT (a Fox affiliate station). Now, you need to find this station's tv listing in your web browser. The site I used was http://www.zap2it.com/tvlistings
2. Find this station ID (KMSPDT) then open up your NEXTPVR and go to Channel Guide. You should be able to compare the website with your channel guide in NEXT PVR to find out what NEXT PVR has labeled that station as. For me it was labeled as KSMP-HD, which is why PTVL wasn't syncing it with my EPG data automatically. For whatever reason PTVL has a tough time syncing them together unlike XBMC's LIVE TV. (NOTE: This assumes that you have already done the UPDATE EPG inside of NEXT PVR under settings - channels. Otherwise your NEXT PVR will have no channel data.)
Once you have done this and gathered a list of all of the channels, you are ready to move on to the next step.
My channel list ended up looking like this:
The ones on the left are how they appeared in NEXT PVR and on the right of the ='s is how they appeared in my xmltv.xml file.
Bounce = KMSPDT2
KMSP-HD = KMSPDT
KARE-HD = KAREDT
KARE_WX = KAREDT2
WDMI-LD = WDMILD
WDMI-LD = WDMILD2
WUCW HD = WUCWDT
Get TV = WUCWDT2
ZUUS = WUCWDT3
K33LN-D = K33LND
tpt MN = KTCIDT2
qubo = KPXMDT2
KMSP-HD = WFTCDT2
WFTC-HD = WFTCDT
MOVIES! = WFTCDT3
WCCO-DT = WCCODT
tpt 2 = KTCADT
tpt MN = KTCADT2
tpt Wx = KTCADT4
KSTPDT1 = KSTPDT
ION = KPXMDT
IONLife = KPXMDT3
TPT Life = KTCIDT3
3. Now, go to "Settings" inside of NEXT PVR and then "Channels". You are now going to change every channel name to the ID that was from your xmltv.xml from step 2. (For example I changed every station from the left name above to the name right of the ='s sign. Once you are done hit the UPDATE EPG option in NEXT PVR.
That's it! Re-populate your XBMC/Kodi TV data inside of XBMC/KODI and autotune your settings2.xml.
(2014-10-30, 15:33)azrael17 Wrote: Glad I could be so "unhelpful" (even though pretty much everything you describe here has been told to you several times by multiple members including myself).
Regardless, thanks for the nicely written guide. Maybe if you hadn't filled it with pot shots at the people who tried to help you it would end up linked in the first page.
(2014-10-30, 15:39)Zacharybinx34 Wrote:(2014-10-30, 15:33)azrael17 Wrote: Glad I could be so "unhelpful" (even though pretty much everything you describe here has been told to you several times by multiple members including myself).
Regardless, thanks for the nicely written guide. Maybe if you hadn't filled it with pot shots at the people who tried to help you it would end up linked in the first page.
I wasn't making pot shots. Sorry bud, but your posts weren't helpful and NO ONE posted the method I figured out above. Regardless, you said it was "full of pot shots"? I made one comment about the instructions given in this thread being unhelpful.... if that's a potshot, you are one sensitive guy.
For future reference, simply repeating, "JUST READ MAN" doesn't help when the person is reading and is tech savy enough for this kind of thing. Everything I read was instructions that didn't relate to my setup, or were just outdated and wrong.
Granted, maybe you guys aren't used to dealing with OTA setups like mine, but if that's the case, don't act like you know what you're talking about and then be insulting when your instructions don't work.
That's on you, not me.
Quote:Basically you have to match the names of your PVR channel streams (you'll have to figure out what these are as I'm not sure where they are exactly) to the channel names in xmltv. You can change the name of either, as far as I know, as long as they match.
(2014-10-30, 15:55)azrael17 Wrote:(2014-10-30, 15:39)Zacharybinx34 Wrote:(2014-10-30, 15:33)azrael17 Wrote: Glad I could be so "unhelpful" (even though pretty much everything you describe here has been told to you several times by multiple members including myself).
Regardless, thanks for the nicely written guide. Maybe if you hadn't filled it with pot shots at the people who tried to help you it would end up linked in the first page.
I wasn't making pot shots. Sorry bud, but your posts weren't helpful and NO ONE posted the method I figured out above. Regardless, you said it was "full of pot shots"? I made one comment about the instructions given in this thread being unhelpful.... if that's a potshot, you are one sensitive guy.
For future reference, simply repeating, "JUST READ MAN" doesn't help when the person is reading and is tech savy enough for this kind of thing. Everything I read was instructions that didn't relate to my setup, or were just outdated and wrong.
Granted, maybe you guys aren't used to dealing with OTA setups like mine, but if that's the case, don't act like you know what you're talking about and then be insulting when your instructions don't work.
That's on you, not me.
Your entire "method" hinges on changing the names in NEXT PVR instead of xmltv (which if done right should still match). A few days ago I sent you message that said:
Quote:Basically you have to match the names of your PVR channel streams (you'll have to figure out what these are as I'm not sure where they are exactly) to the channel names in xmltv. You can change the name of either, as far as I know, as long as they match.
But I shouldn't be surprised that you take the stance you do. Since you blame everyone else when things don't work it only makes sense that you take credit for everything when they do.
This is a great community where people make their best efforts to help each other. Acting the way you do towards others only acts to discourage this cooperation. I took a lot of my own personal time to help you, even when everyone else had already started ignoring you. Yet you take the extra time to take a shot at me and everyone else who tried to help. And let's face it, that was a shot. There were far more diplomatic ways to say that every suggestion you tried before was unsuccessful, but the words "since the responses I got here were.... let's just say, unhelpful..." was clearly intended as a dig.
(2014-10-30, 16:04)Zacharybinx34 Wrote:(2014-10-30, 15:55)azrael17 Wrote:(2014-10-30, 15:39)Zacharybinx34 Wrote: I wasn't making pot shots. Sorry bud, but your posts weren't helpful and NO ONE posted the method I figured out above. Regardless, you said it was "full of pot shots"? I made one comment about the instructions given in this thread being unhelpful.... if that's a potshot, you are one sensitive guy.
For future reference, simply repeating, "JUST READ MAN" doesn't help when the person is reading and is tech savy enough for this kind of thing. Everything I read was instructions that didn't relate to my setup, or were just outdated and wrong.
Granted, maybe you guys aren't used to dealing with OTA setups like mine, but if that's the case, don't act like you know what you're talking about and then be insulting when your instructions don't work.
That's on you, not me.
Your entire "method" hinges on changing the names in NEXT PVR instead of xmltv (which if done right should still match). A few days ago I sent you message that said:
Quote:Basically you have to match the names of your PVR channel streams (you'll have to figure out what these are as I'm not sure where they are exactly) to the channel names in xmltv. You can change the name of either, as far as I know, as long as they match.
But I shouldn't be surprised that you take the stance you do. Since you blame everyone else when things don't work it only makes sense that you take credit for everything when they do.
This is a great community where people make their best efforts to help each other. Acting the way you do towards others only acts to discourage this cooperation. I took a lot of my own personal time to help you, even when everyone else had already started ignoring you. Yet you take the extra time to take a shot at me and everyone else who tried to help. And let's face it, that was a shot. There were far more diplomatic ways to say that every suggestion you tried before was unsuccessful, but the words "since the responses I got here were.... let's just say, unhelpful..." was clearly intended as a dig.
My "unhelpful at best" comment, honestly was not directed towards you. I said the comments in this thread. No where in this thread does anyone come close to what you said. And to be fair, I tried what you said to do, and PTVL wouldn't even populate my Live TV stations at all anymore. But regardless, your idea was what led me to finding out my solution, which was reversing your instructions basically.
I'm not trying to "take credit", I'm just posting this since no one else has posted it, and the instructions IN THIS THREAD are unhelpful at best. The messages you sent me are NOT in this thread... so no one has access to them. Regardless, your instructions didn't work for my setup, so that's irrelevant anyways.
(2014-10-30, 16:18)Beckyb33 Wrote:(2014-10-30, 16:12)azrael17 Wrote:(2014-10-30, 16:04)Zacharybinx34 Wrote: My "unhelpful at best" comment, honestly was not directed towards you. I said the comments in this thread. No where in this thread does anyone come close to what you said. And to be fair, I tried what you said to do, and PTVL wouldn't even populate my Live TV stations at all anymore. But regardless, your idea was what led me to finding out my solution, which was reversing your instructions basically.
I'm not trying to "take credit", I'm just posting this since no one else has posted it, and the instructions IN THIS THREAD are unhelpful at best. The messages you sent me are NOT in this thread... so no one has access to them. Regardless, your instructions didn't work for my setup, so that's irrelevant anyways.
I'm just saying you can contribute (and I'm encouraging you to do so), without taking shots at people that tried to help you, irregardless of whether their "help" was the ultimate answer or not. Every contribution was a step toward the same end goal.
EDIT: I think you post would make an excellent guide and should be linked on the first page, but I don't see it happening with all the "don't listen to other people" and "other people are wrong and unhelpful" sentiments scattered throughout.
There's literally one comment with that, I'll remove it. I'd rather have the information here for others who need it so they can avoid the insane amount of hours I had to put in.
Regardless, can you see how responses along the lines of "JUST READ MAN" aren't helpful when the instructions that I did read didn't address my setup?
That's frustrating. One guy even told me to sell my setup since I couldn't figure it out from information he posted.... when that information wasn't relavant to my setup.
Quote:"Throughout these posts you will read that you should change your xmltv.xml file to match the channel names listed in PTVL, DO NOT DO THIS. It's pointless and the wrong way to go about it."
Quote:"Do NOT listen to the advice here and try to change it in settings2.xml, that is pointless since you might want to re-autotune at some point thus wiping your settings2.xml and hard work out unless you do."
(2014-10-30, 16:12)azrael17 Wrote:(2014-10-30, 16:04)Zacharybinx34 Wrote:(2014-10-30, 15:55)azrael17 Wrote: Your entire "method" hinges on changing the names in NEXT PVR instead of xmltv (which if done right should still match). A few days ago I sent you message that said:
But I shouldn't be surprised that you take the stance you do. Since you blame everyone else when things don't work it only makes sense that you take credit for everything when they do.
This is a great community where people make their best efforts to help each other. Acting the way you do towards others only acts to discourage this cooperation. I took a lot of my own personal time to help you, even when everyone else had already started ignoring you. Yet you take the extra time to take a shot at me and everyone else who tried to help. And let's face it, that was a shot. There were far more diplomatic ways to say that every suggestion you tried before was unsuccessful, but the words "since the responses I got here were.... let's just say, unhelpful..." was clearly intended as a dig.
My "unhelpful at best" comment, honestly was not directed towards you. I said the comments in this thread. No where in this thread does anyone come close to what you said. And to be fair, I tried what you said to do, and PTVL wouldn't even populate my Live TV stations at all anymore. But regardless, your idea was what led me to finding out my solution, which was reversing your instructions basically.
I'm not trying to "take credit", I'm just posting this since no one else has posted it, and the instructions IN THIS THREAD are unhelpful at best. The messages you sent me are NOT in this thread... so no one has access to them. Regardless, your instructions didn't work for my setup, so that's irrelevant anyways.
I'm just saying you can contribute (and I'm encouraging you to do so), without taking shots at people that tried to help you, irregardless of whether their "help" was the ultimate answer or not. Every contribution was a step toward the same end goal.
EDIT: I think you post would make an excellent guide and should be linked on the first page, but I don't see it happening with all the "don't listen to other people" and "other people are wrong and unhelpful" sentiments scattered throughout.
(2014-10-30, 16:23)azrael17 Wrote: On another note, as of now the easiest way to check for updates to the community list is to click the link on page one and look at:
a) Under "Source" and "Browse", the dates of the last revisions.
b) Under "Source" and "Changes", the change logs.
I know when I make revisions I try to provide detailed change logs of what was added/removed/moved.
As for adding new sources without autotuning, if you open the individual files it will give you all the variables to set up your own settings2.xml entries. To be honest, while I contribute fairly often to the community list, I rarely ever autotune myself as I find I have more control manually setting things up. Another good technique may be to autotune and then copy/paste the entries you want into a blank settings2.xml.
(2014-10-30, 16:18)Beckyb33 Wrote:(2014-10-30, 16:12)azrael17 Wrote: I'm just saying you can contribute (and I'm encouraging you to do so), without taking shots at people that tried to help you, irregardless of whether their "help" was the ultimate answer or not. Every contribution was a step toward the same end goal.
EDIT: I think you post would make an excellent guide and should be linked on the first page, but I don't see it happening with all the "don't listen to other people" and "other people are wrong and unhelpful" sentiments scattered throughout.
There's literally one comment with that, I'll remove it. I'd rather have the information here for others who need it so they can avoid the insane amount of hours I had to put in.
Regardless, can you see how responses along the lines of "JUST READ MAN" aren't helpful when the instructions that I did read didn't address my setup?
That's frustrating. One guy even told me to sell my setup since I couldn't figure it out from information he posted.... when that information wasn't relavant to my setup.
Quote:"Throughout these posts you will read that you should change your xmltv.xml file to match the channel names listed in PTVL, DO NOT DO THIS. It's pointless and the wrong way to go about it."
"DO NOT change your xmltv.xml file to match the channel names listed in PTVL."
Quote:"Do NOT listen to the advice here and try to change it in settings2.xml, that is pointless since you might want to re-autotune at some point thus wiping your settings2.xml and hard work out unless you do."
"DO NOT change it in settings2.xml since you might want to re-autotune at some point thus wiping your settings2.xml."
(2014-10-30, 16:30)Zacharybinx34 Wrote:(2014-10-30, 16:12)azrael17 Wrote:(2014-10-30, 16:04)Zacharybinx34 Wrote: My "unhelpful at best" comment, honestly was not directed towards you. I said the comments in this thread. No where in this thread does anyone come close to what you said. And to be fair, I tried what you said to do, and PTVL wouldn't even populate my Live TV stations at all anymore. But regardless, your idea was what led me to finding out my solution, which was reversing your instructions basically.
I'm not trying to "take credit", I'm just posting this since no one else has posted it, and the instructions IN THIS THREAD are unhelpful at best. The messages you sent me are NOT in this thread... so no one has access to them. Regardless, your instructions didn't work for my setup, so that's irrelevant anyways.
I'm just saying you can contribute (and I'm encouraging you to do so), without taking shots at people that tried to help you, irregardless of whether their "help" was the ultimate answer or not. Every contribution was a step toward the same end goal.
EDIT: I think you post would make an excellent guide and should be linked on the first page, but I don't see it happening with all the "don't listen to other people" and "other people are wrong and unhelpful" sentiments scattered throughout.
I'll remove the one coment. I'd rather have the information here for others who need it so they can avoid the insane amount of hours I had to put in.
Regardless, can you see how responses along the lines of "JUST READ MAN" aren't helpful when the instructions that I did read didn't address my setup?
That's frustrating. One guy even told me to sell my setup since I couldn't figure it out from information he posted.... when that information wasn't relevant to my setup.
(2014-10-30, 16:23)azrael17 Wrote: On another note, as of now the easiest way to check for updates to the community list is to click the link on page one and look at:
a) Under "Source" and "Browse", the dates of the last revisions.
b) Under "Source" and "Changes", the change logs.
I know when I make revisions I try to provide detailed change logs of what was added/removed/moved.
As for adding new sources without autotuning, if you open the individual files it will give you all the variables to set up your own settings2.xml entries. To be honest, while I contribute fairly often to the community list, I rarely ever autotune myself as I find I have more control manually setting things up. Another good technique may be to autotune and then copy/paste the entries you want into a blank settings2.xml.
(2014-10-30, 16:18)Beckyb33 Wrote: There's literally one comment with that, I'll remove it. I'd rather have the information here for others who need it so they can avoid the insane amount of hours I had to put in.
Regardless, can you see how responses along the lines of "JUST READ MAN" aren't helpful when the instructions that I did read didn't address my setup?
That's frustrating. One guy even told me to sell my setup since I couldn't figure it out from information he posted.... when that information wasn't relavant to my setup.
Quote:"Throughout these posts you will read that you should change your xmltv.xml file to match the channel names listed in PTVL, DO NOT DO THIS. It's pointless and the wrong way to go about it."
"DO NOT change your xmltv.xml file to match the channel names listed in PTVL."
Quote:"Do NOT listen to the advice here and try to change it in settings2.xml, that is pointless since you might want to re-autotune at some point thus wiping your settings2.xml and hard work out unless you do."
"DO NOT change it in settings2.xml since you might want to re-autotune at some point thus wiping your settings2.xml."
Those are not jabs man... seriously? I'm saying the instructions in this thread say to do X, Don't do that as it's either not ideal, or flat out won't work...
(2014-10-30, 16:34)azrael17 Wrote:(2014-10-30, 16:30)Zacharybinx34 Wrote:(2014-10-30, 16:12)azrael17 Wrote: I'm just saying you can contribute (and I'm encouraging you to do so), without taking shots at people that tried to help you, irregardless of whether their "help" was the ultimate answer or not. Every contribution was a step toward the same end goal.
EDIT: I think you post would make an excellent guide and should be linked on the first page, but I don't see it happening with all the "don't listen to other people" and "other people are wrong and unhelpful" sentiments scattered throughout.
I'll remove the one coment. I'd rather have the information here for others who need it so they can avoid the insane amount of hours I had to put in.
Regardless, can you see how responses along the lines of "JUST READ MAN" aren't helpful when the instructions that I did read didn't address my setup?
That's frustrating. One guy even told me to sell my setup since I couldn't figure it out from information he posted.... when that information wasn't relevant to my setup.
(2014-10-30, 16:23)azrael17 Wrote: On another note, as of now the easiest way to check for updates to the community list is to click the link on page one and look at:
a) Under "Source" and "Browse", the dates of the last revisions.
b) Under "Source" and "Changes", the change logs.
I know when I make revisions I try to provide detailed change logs of what was added/removed/moved.
As for adding new sources without autotuning, if you open the individual files it will give you all the variables to set up your own settings2.xml entries. To be honest, while I contribute fairly often to the community list, I rarely ever autotune myself as I find I have more control manually setting things up. Another good technique may be to autotune and then copy/paste the entries you want into a blank settings2.xml.
"DO NOT change your xmltv.xml file to match the channel names listed in PTVL."
"DO NOT change it in settings2.xml since you might want to re-autotune at some point thus wiping your settings2.xml."
Those are not jabs man... seriously? I'm saying the instructions in this thread say to do X, Don't do that as it's either not ideal, or flat out won't work...
And the changes I made say the same thing without calling everyone else "pointless" and "useless".
