[tfouto]

Here http://skinflint.co.uk/eu/intel-nuc-kit-...filterform

Thanks, but i cant find a place where they ship to Portugal.

[Stereodude]

Yes a Chromebox can output 4K at up to 30Hz.
BUT even though it has Haswell microarchitecture and DP1.2 - that does not mean the mobile version (U) of the GPU/VPU supports 4K video output @ 60Hz.
Broadwell is a different story.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7007/intel...spective/7

You keep linking to the same article about the HDMI capability of Haswell when I'm talking about the DisplayPort capability. The U version can drive UHD / "4k" @ 60Hz using MST. It can't using SST.

[wrxtasy]

You must have one up on Intel then....
4K = 3840 x 2160

Haswell:

4th generation Intel® Core™ processor family
(Intel® Iris™ Pro graphics 5200 / Intel® Iris™ graphics 5100, Intel® HD graphics 5000 / 4600 / 4400 / 4200)

DisplayPort* 1.2 / eDP*
H-Processors: 3840 x 2160 @ 60 Hz (Ultra-HD)
U-Processors: 3200 x 2000 @ 60 Hz, 3840 x 2160 @ 30 Hz
Y-Processors: 2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz
HDMI*: 4096 x 2304, 3840 x 2160 @ 24 Hz / 24bpp
DVI: 1920 x 1200 @ 60 Hz

Broadwell:

5th generation Intel® Core™ processor family (Intel® Iris™ graphics 6100, , Intel® HD graphics 5500 / 5600) Intel® Iris™ Pro graphics 6200 (Mid-2015)

DisplayPort* 1.2 / eDP*
U-Processors: 3840 x 2160 @ 60 Hz
H-Processors: 4096 x 2304 @ 60 Hz
HDMI*: 4096 x 2304, 3840 x 2160 @ 24 Hz / 24bpp
DVI: 1920 x 1200 @ 60 Hz

https://software.intel.com/en-us/article...r-graphics

[tfouto]

There doesn't seem to be much difference between 4th gen and 5th gen, not worth an upgrade for existing owners probably.

If you aim for HEVC/H.265 there is a big difference:

Broadwell’s video decode capabilities will also be increasing compared to Haswell. On top of Intel’s existing codec support, Broadwell will be implementing a hybrid H.265 decoder, allowing Broadwell to decode the next-generation video codec in hardware, but not with the same degree of power efficiency as H.264 today. In this hybrid setup Intel will be utilizing both portions of their fixed function video decoder and executing decoding steps on their shaders in order to offer complete H.265 decoding. The use of the shaders for part of the decoding process is less power efficient than doing everything in fixed function hardware but it’s better than the even less optimal CPU.

The use of a hybrid approach is essentially a stop-gap solution to the problem – the lead time on the finalization of H.265 would leave little time to develop a fixed function encoder for anyone with a long product cycle like Intel – and we expect that future generation products will have a full fixed function decoder. In the meantime Intel will be in the company of other GPU manufacturers such as NVIDIA, who is using a similar hybrid approach for H.265 on their Maxwell architecture.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8355/intel...re-preview

Anyone knows, if this Hybrid H.265 mode of decoding is enough to decode 4k x265?

Thanks

[Stereodude]

You must have one up on Intel then....
4K = 3840 x 2160

Haswell:

4th generation Intel® Core™ processor family
(Intel® Iris™ Pro graphics 5200 / Intel® Iris™ graphics 5100, Intel® HD graphics 5000 / 4600 / 4400 / 4200)

DisplayPort* 1.2 / eDP*
H-Processors: 3840 x 2160 @ 60 Hz (Ultra-HD)
U-Processors: 3200 x 2000 @ 60 Hz, 3840 x 2160 @ 30 Hz
Y-Processors: 2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz
HDMI*: 4096 x 2304, 3840 x 2160 @ 24 Hz / 24bpp
DVI: 1920 x 1200 @ 60 Hz

Broadwell:

5th generation Intel® Core™ processor family (Intel® Iris™ graphics 6100, , Intel® HD graphics 5500 / 5600) Intel® Iris™ Pro graphics 6200 (Mid-2015)

DisplayPort* 1.2 / eDP*
U-Processors: 3840 x 2160 @ 60 Hz
H-Processors: 4096 x 2304 @ 60 Hz
HDMI*: 4096 x 2304, 3840 x 2160 @ 24 Hz / 24bpp
DVI: 1920 x 1200 @ 60 Hz

https://software.intel.com/en-us/article...r-graphics

First, 4k is 4096x2160. UHD is 3840x2160. Unfortunately, the latter has become commonly known as "4k" even though it's not.

Second, you apparently don't know what SST and MST are. What you're quoting is for SST. MST basically breaks a UHD display into 2 pieces that are half the resolution. The U series Haswell parts can drive UHD @ 60Hz using MST. MST isn't very useful for video since it's basically 2 displays and some things don't like to span 2 displays. The point remains it can drive a UHD display at 60Hz (using MST).

[wrxtasy]

Well I'll be, maybe I should hook my home entertainment Intel 4K equiptment up to movie projection industry standard 4096 x 2160 / 4K projector, anything else and I'm going to feel ripped off !!!
After all they sold it to me and told me it would do 4k.

Seriously we are talking Home Entertainment here with one screen and a commonly referred to 4K aka UHD TV set.
I'm going with Intel's marketing info on this one and the millions of us that are sold 4K marketed TV's.

MST sound about as usefull for Home entertainment as Tits on a bull !

[Stereodude]

Well I'll be, maybe I should hook my home entertainment Intel 4K equiptment up to movie projection industry standard 4096 x 2160 / 4K projector, anything else and I'm going to feel ripped off !!!
After all they sold it to me and told me it would do 4k.

FWIW, the Sony 4k home theater projectors are true 4k (4096x2160), not UHD. They're the only entertainment oriented consumer "displays" I know of that are 4k.

[Keane16]

Does anyone know what's included in the box power cord wise? It's not very clear.

5th Gen NUC5i3RYK (http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/n...i3ryk.html):

Included in the box: 19 V, 65 W wall-mount AC-DC power adapter with multi-country AC plugs (IEC types A/C/G/I)

4th Gen D34010WYK (http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/n...10wyk.html):

Included in the box: Power cord options (Types B, E, G, or no cord)

The 4th Gen had extra SKUs which came with the appropriate cords, Table 1 here: http://www.intel.com/support/motherboard...034479.htm.

But the 5th Gen doesn't have anything similar listed: http://www.intel.com/support/motherboard...035359.htm.

Does that mean all 5th Gens come with an adapter covering multi-countries, as there is no "No cord" option? Or has the support page just not got the extra info yet as it's new?

[fitamix]

Here http://skinflint.co.uk/eu/intel-nuc-kit-...filterform

Thanks, but i cant find a place where they ship to Portugal.

Look here:
http://savemoney.es/asin/NUC5i3RYH

In Amazon.fr there is a seller shipping to Spain.

[Sniffer77]

Hi all
Am I better getting i5 4th gen or the i3 5th gen? Similar price for barebones (well i3 cheaper), or wait for a potential 4th gen i5discount when 5th gen is released?

I want it to be my main nuc for movies and live tv. Going to install small ssd and min 1tb harddrive for my movies.
I watch some live tv and have some sd content stored. My dn2820 is great with 1080 but struggles with live tv and sd picture. I understand that's due to interlacing issues (don't understand that yet)
I've seen chromebox zotac etc but I just fancy nuc, can't explain why lol.
Thanks all

[tfouto]

Hi all
Am I better getting i5 4th gen or the i3 5th gen? Similar price for barebones (well i3 cheaper), or wait for a potential 4th gen i5discount when 5th gen is released?

I want it to be my main nuc for movies and live tv. Going to install small ssd and min 1tb harddrive for my movies.
I watch some live tv and have some sd content stored. My dn2820 is great with 1080 but struggles with live tv and sd picture. I understand that's due to interlacing issues (don't understand that yet)
I've seen chromebox zotac etc but I just fancy nuc, can't explain why lol.
Thanks all

why does it struggle with sd picture and live tv?

[tavoc]

The graphics part is not fast enough for advanced operations (deinterlace...)

[wrxtasy]

..

[DocG]

Well I'll be, maybe I should hook my home entertainment Intel 4K equiptment up to movie projection industry standard 4096 x 2160 / 4K projector, anything else and I'm going to feel ripped off !!!
After all they sold it to me and told me it would do 4k.

FWIW, the Sony 4k home theater projectors are true 4k (4096x2160), not UHD. They're the only entertainment oriented consumer "displays" I know of that are 4k.

Well, at least in the specs of my TV it says 4096x2160/24p, what's more, it's played every 4K HEVC test file I've thrown at it. If I could now just tell Kodi to let my TV decode 4K HEVC, that would be one problem solved.

To get back on topic, looking forward to getting my hands on a 5th gen NUC to test out.

[noggin]

There doesn't seem to be much difference between 4th gen and 5th gen, not worth an upgrade for existing owners probably.

If you aim for HEVC/H.265 there is a big difference:

Broadwell’s video decode capabilities will also be increasing compared to Haswell. On top of Intel’s existing codec support, Broadwell will be implementing a hybrid H.265 decoder, allowing Broadwell to decode the next-generation video codec in hardware, but not with the same degree of power efficiency as H.264 today. In this hybrid setup Intel will be utilizing both portions of their fixed function video decoder and executing decoding steps on their shaders in order to offer complete H.265 decoding. The use of the shaders for part of the decoding process is less power efficient than doing everything in fixed function hardware but it’s better than the even less optimal CPU.

The use of a hybrid approach is essentially a stop-gap solution to the problem – the lead time on the finalization of H.265 would leave little time to develop a fixed function encoder for anyone with a long product cycle like Intel – and we expect that future generation products will have a full fixed function decoder. In the meantime Intel will be in the company of other GPU manufacturers such as NVIDIA, who is using a similar hybrid approach for H.265 on their Maxwell architecture.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8355/intel...re-preview

Anyone knows, if this Hybrid H.265 mode of decoding is enough to decode 4k x265?

Thanks

My i5 Haswell NUC isn't able to decode 2160/59.94p World Cup off-air recordings from the BBC DVB-T2 tests using H265 hybrid "h/w" decoding without lots of dropped frames (though I was also running at 1080p resolution so a downscale would also have been required). Tried MPC-HD and DVBViewer.