2016-04-06, 22:33
(2016-04-06, 19:40)huhn Wrote:(2016-04-06, 18:19)crawfish Wrote:i don't care if you call it "an overly pedantic distinction" it's not an passthrough.(2016-04-06, 17:40)huhn Wrote: yet again it's not a passthrough.
Yet again you're making an overly pedantic distinction which isn't helpful, particularly as concerns the OP.
Pedants never care about being pedantic and unhelpful as they derail threads, so I can't say I'm surprised.
Quote:Quote:i'm pretty sure your TV isn't shown WTW with full range input signal.Quote:on a properly calibrated screen all WTW and BTB is clipped anyway.
BTB helps one set Brightness, and some amount of WTW is arguably worth keeping. See Spears and Munsil 2nd edition articles on Brightness, Contrast, and Colorspace selection for more. In any case, WTW is always there on my Panasonic plasma, so saying it's "clipped on a properly calibrated screen" is not true.
As I said, I am outputting full range from the card, limited range from players like Kodi, and my TV is set for limited range. I can't tell if you're not paying attention or simply don't understand this configuration.
Quote:i don't have to care about a random disc out there. using simple math WTW and BTB has to be clipped. your screen doesn't care about fine. there are10000 other screens that behavior correctly.
I literally don't know what to say to that.
Quote:Quote:Moreover, see the ETA in my prior message for a reason why the passthrough mode can still be useful for someone who believes 0-255 video output is just as good.
why not send YCbCr with your BD player?
it will always be treated as limited. the topic isn't talking about external devices like a BD player.so why should the best way to deal with this crashing colors for the desktop?
LOL. You are the one who brought up "BD players!" That's why I thought of it, and I was reminded of the potentially relevant usage case I described in my ETA. And like I said, I don't care about the desktop for my HTPC, which I use only for video. The desktop crush doesn't matter to me, and it won't matter for anyone who also doesn't care. It will never interfere with using the PC for HTPC tasks or even non-color dependent general usage like writing letters and such, and for Kodi, its UI even appears with proper levels when its Limited Range option is selected. Get it? That said, I do use Full Range for video on my gaming PC, because there, I value the consistency between desktop and video.
As for why not send YCbCr from my BD player, RGB Limited is better with my combination of equipment per the Spears and Munsil Colorspace Evaluation pattern I mentioned in my last message. As I also said earlier, my BD player measures the same as my PC this way, which is another plus.
Quote:Quote:Quote:there is no need to go deeper on this topic. setting the GPU to limited range is bad fpr quality. and i'm pretty sure we agree on that.
I agree with both those points. However, madshi's post that you quoted talks about the same things I talked about in my prior messages. I covered all 3 of his bullet items, I see no disagreement in what we respectively said, so I don't see why you posted it. The Argyll discussion is really off-topic to boot.
you started with a one word quote from him not me.
LOL. A one word quote in context that directly supported the things I had previously spoken about, and I posted it because you were challenging what I said. Without explanation, you replied with a wall of text from madshi that reiterated what I talked about, and you included a couple of irrelevant paragraphs about Argyll. This makes me think you don't understand this stuff nearly as well as you think you do, as I was left thinking, "Yeah? So? I already said all that." You also managed to bring madVR into the discussion, and there's no indication the OP is using it.
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There's absolutely no point in continuing this with you. To the OP, ignore the "discussion" between huhn and me and see my replies to you. They are correct, on point, and spell out your two options, including the rationale and advantages and disadvantages. Hope it helps, and I apologize for cluttering your thread with my replies to huhn.