Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update

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2017-10-28, 14:40

Same issue here with two 3121 Intel cpus and HD on board graphic. Yes, enabling real full-screen helps and also Auto update refresh rate must be disabled. For now I am back to 1703 and disabled windows update.

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Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by JrPinto - 2017-10-21, 14:45

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by startv - 2017-10-21, 17:47

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by PatK - 2017-10-21, 18:02

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Amiga1000 - 2017-10-21, 18:25

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by PatK - 2017-10-21, 18:40

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Amiga1000 - 2017-10-21, 19:10

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Amiga1000 - 2017-10-21, 22:01

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Zer0future - 2017-10-22, 05:33

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by upD8R - 2017-10-22, 10:43

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by upD8R - 2017-10-22, 20:31

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by hannes69 - 2017-10-22, 11:28

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by upD8R - 2017-10-22, 13:30

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by barryw52 - 2017-10-22, 13:58

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by JrPinto - 2017-10-22, 15:37

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by mambro - 2017-10-22, 16:39

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by mambro - 2017-10-22, 17:30

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by jzpower - 2017-11-18, 17:09

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by jzpower - 2017-11-18, 17:19

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by PatK - 2017-10-22, 18:46

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Zer0future - 2017-10-24, 07:41

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by PatK - 2017-10-22, 21:48

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Lunatixz - 2017-10-22, 22:13

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by JANVideo - 2017-10-22, 23:26

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by scott967 - 2017-10-23, 06:17

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by barryw52 - 2017-10-23, 10:44

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by les_hd - 2017-10-23, 23:44

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by mambro - 2017-10-23, 23:59

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by demonboy - 2017-11-29, 08:57

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by bonapartyparty - 2017-12-03, 13:07

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by mambro - 2017-12-12, 00:53

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by les_hd - 2017-10-25, 01:29

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by pippocalo - 2017-10-25, 09:42

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by CastagnaIT - 2017-10-25, 18:24

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Fail$tyle420 - 2017-10-25, 19:02

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by CastagnaIT - 2017-10-25, 19:48

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Fail$tyle420 - 2017-10-25, 23:02

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by PH-SYM - 2017-10-25, 21:35

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by PH-SYM - 2017-10-25, 21:48

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Usafle - 2017-10-25, 22:39

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by mambro - 2017-10-26, 01:06

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Usafle - 2017-10-26, 21:08

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by mambro - 2017-10-26, 22:33

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Usafle - 2017-10-27, 02:06

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by top_gun_de - 2017-11-04, 18:28

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Espiclondrífico - 2017-10-27, 17:32

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by tomadam25 - 2017-10-28, 11:02

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by popy - 2017-10-28, 14:40

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by PH-SYM - 2017-10-28, 18:51

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Zer0future - 2017-10-28, 21:42

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by PH-SYM - 2017-10-28, 22:30

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Zer0future - 2017-11-02, 01:56

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Zer0future - 2017-11-03, 06:39

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by PH-SYM - 2017-11-03, 21:47

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Zer0future - 2017-11-04, 02:33

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by les_hd - 2017-11-05, 01:38

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by boboiusa - 2017-11-05, 14:15

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by les_hd - 2017-11-05, 20:01

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by bollstedt - 2017-11-08, 18:51

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by PH-SYM - 2017-11-08, 23:59

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by CyberMonk - 2017-11-09, 03:12

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by tempomat - 2017-11-11, 16:05

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by rpowers - 2017-11-11, 23:09

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by les_hd - 2017-11-12, 00:17

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by brazen1 - 2017-11-12, 04:37

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by les_hd - 2017-11-12, 19:30

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by brazen1 - 2017-11-12, 22:50

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by User 280158 - 2017-11-12, 19:32

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by rpowers - 2017-11-12, 19:46

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by les_hd - 2017-11-13, 04:42

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by wdilbert - 2017-11-13, 09:44

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by tom886 - 2017-11-14, 19:13

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Jappa - 2017-11-15, 14:08

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by les_hd - 2017-11-15, 19:23

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by brazen1 - 2017-11-15, 19:58

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by wdilbert - 2017-11-15, 20:47

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by les_hd - 2017-11-16, 05:01

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by les_hd - 2017-11-16, 05:07

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by tom886 - 2017-11-17, 15:33

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by aracnoz - 2017-11-17, 16:02

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by damonbrodie - 2017-11-18, 02:55

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by tom886 - 2017-11-18, 04:05

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by DanielPT - 2017-11-18, 13:44

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by damonbrodie - 2017-11-18, 14:25

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by damonbrodie - 2017-11-19, 18:29

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by DanielPT - 2017-11-19, 19:00

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by tom886 - 2017-11-21, 04:13

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Retrospawn - 2017-11-22, 12:38

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by flyboy320 - 2017-11-22, 16:35

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by willemd - 2017-11-22, 21:15

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Espiclondrífico - 2017-11-27, 00:50

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by willemd - 2017-11-22, 22:05

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by willemd - 2017-11-23, 12:44

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by damonbrodie - 2017-11-23, 14:44

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by molibdeno - 2017-11-23, 20:00

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Zer0future - 2017-11-25, 19:59

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by adsasdgasdgasdg - 2017-11-26, 20:44

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by messiah1095 - 2017-11-27, 05:44

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by CastagnaIT - 2017-11-27, 20:02

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by adsasdgasdgasdg - 2017-11-28, 13:11

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Wilson Drake - 2017-11-28, 13:50

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by adsasdgasdgasdg - 2017-11-28, 15:36

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by adsasdgasdgasdg - 2017-11-29, 14:07

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Skram0 - 2017-12-01, 05:49

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by willemd - 2017-12-02, 13:30

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Streamerke - 2017-12-03, 09:36

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by messiah1095 - 2017-12-04, 00:06

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by sand_man - 2017-12-04, 21:41

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by CastagnaIT - 2017-12-06, 10:04

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by willemd - 2017-12-06, 19:00

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Lokeole - 2017-12-06, 20:33

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by CastagnaIT - 2017-12-06, 21:57

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by CastagnaIT - 2017-12-09, 21:04

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by tehax - 2017-12-09, 22:47

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by tehax - 2017-12-10, 11:34

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by willemd - 2017-12-10, 19:36

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by CastagnaIT - 2017-12-10, 20:53

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by MrBfJohn - 2017-12-19, 16:55

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by user659 - 2017-12-26, 04:14

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by kimkl - 2017-12-26, 06:48

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by torsan - 2017-12-27, 12:13

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by flyboy320 - 2017-12-27, 16:44

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by torsan - 2017-12-27, 17:35

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by hoschi80 - 2018-01-19, 22:51

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by torsan - 2018-01-20, 00:57

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by hoschi80 - 2018-01-20, 18:18

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by torsan - 2018-01-21, 01:25

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by hoschi80 - 2018-01-21, 12:13

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by JLOIS - 2018-01-04, 18:49

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by torsan - 2018-01-18, 22:29

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Albireo20 - 2018-01-05, 11:52

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by DarrenHill - 2018-01-05, 12:18

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by macardi - 2018-01-21, 08:33

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by torsan - 2018-01-21, 12:30

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by macardi - 2018-01-22, 10:07

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by robertosburn - 2018-01-29, 08:27

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by mombasa123 - 2018-01-30, 04:03

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by mambro - 2018-02-16, 00:49

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by willemd - 2018-02-16, 19:21

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by torsan - 2018-02-16, 08:42

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by User 280158 - 2018-02-16, 21:37

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by flyboy320 - 2018-02-16, 21:47

Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by popy - 2018-02-19, 00:25

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by torsan - 2018-02-19, 01:08

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by wdilbert - 2018-02-19, 10:08

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by popy - 2018-02-19, 08:23

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by User 280158 - 2018-02-19, 22:08

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by afedchin - 2018-02-20, 09:12

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by torsan - 2018-02-20, 09:36

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by IIIdefconIII - 2018-02-24, 00:40

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by afedchin - 2018-02-24, 11:10

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by jepski - 2018-02-24, 16:20

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by IIIdefconIII - 2018-03-07, 19:43

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by jepski - 2018-03-13, 21:46

Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by popy - 2018-02-24, 16:42

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by wdilbert - 2018-02-24, 19:09

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by lightstorm22 - 2018-02-28, 05:41

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by popy - 2018-02-24, 20:30

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by wdilbert - 2018-02-24, 21:01

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by popy - 2018-02-24, 21:10

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by wdilbert - 2018-02-24, 21:26

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by torsan - 2018-02-25, 23:21

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by DanSilov - 2018-02-25, 00:05

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by simpucker - 2018-03-03, 10:47

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by lightstorm22 - 2018-02-25, 05:22

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by popy - 2018-02-25, 23:27

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by willemd - 2018-02-26, 13:54

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by torsan - 2018-02-26, 21:24

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by willemd - 2018-02-27, 13:34

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by scott967 - 2018-02-26, 23:23

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by popy - 2018-02-27, 23:20

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by popy - 2018-02-28, 07:53

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by lightstorm22 - 2018-02-28, 15:58

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by sand_man - 2018-03-07, 09:42

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by IIIdefconIII - 2018-03-07, 19:41

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by popy - 2018-03-11, 22:45

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Luke M - 2018-03-12, 02:27

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Terryzgi - 2018-03-13, 16:40

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Stefan75 - 2018-03-16, 12:23

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by afedchin - 2018-03-20, 16:46

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by willemd - 2018-03-22, 18:58

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by willemd - 2018-03-22, 19:27

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by oomek - 2018-03-22, 19:15

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by oomek - 2018-03-23, 23:55

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by sand_man - 2018-03-31, 19:27

Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by popy - 2018-03-31, 19:43

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by the_scotsman - 2018-04-08, 05:34

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Karellen - 2018-04-08, 06:22

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by the_scotsman - 2018-04-08, 07:13

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by the_scotsman - 2018-04-08, 08:00

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by lightstorm22 - 2018-04-11, 23:55

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by popy - 2018-04-12, 06:52

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by lightstorm22 - 2018-04-13, 01:02

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by dpar - 2018-04-30, 23:47

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by the_scotsman - 2018-05-01, 00:28

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by sand_man - 2018-05-01, 15:00

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by lightstorm22 - 2018-05-03, 03:45

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by Helioy - 2018-05-03, 22:53

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by UnknownShadow - 2018-05-09, 19:23

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by sand_man - 2018-05-11, 08:13

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by UnknownShadow - 2018-05-11, 14:15

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by justin007 - 2018-05-09, 19:33

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by whysoserious - 2018-05-11, 20:01

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by IIIdefconIII - 2018-06-20, 21:28

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by IIIdefconIII - 2018-06-22, 16:02

Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by sand_man - 2018-06-22, 21:09

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by IIIdefconIII - 2018-07-18, 03:28

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by sand_man - 2018-10-03, 10:41

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by boboiusa - 2018-11-27, 10:29

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by upD8R - 2018-11-27, 21:03

Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by sand_man - 2018-12-08, 06:47

RE: Problem with video after Windows 10 Fall Creators 2017 Update - by PatK - 2018-12-13, 05:15