I have fixed this issue for me...
I don't think this will fix it for everyone, but maybe i can help some of you people.
I'm going to tell the whole story and how i have solved this issue for me.
So “we” (me and my wife) used several media players over these years like XBMC on a barebone pc (long time ago), Popcorn C200, Xtreamer Sidewinder, Xtreamer Prodigy, Boxee Box.
We got 4 places to watch media: living room, bedroom, cinema\gaming room and the office.
The Setups:
All devices in my house is wired on gigabit cat6e cable with off course gigabit switches.
My media is shared on a Synology DS1812 NAS using SMB for windows (only popcorn c200 uses NFS)
All my devices (media players, settop boxes and gaming consoles) are hdmi wired trough every of my audio\video receivers and I always use bit streaming on the devices that can handle it.
Living room hardware:
TV: Panasonic VT30 3D 1080p 50” Plasma.
HD Audio\Video Receiver: Denon hdmi 1.4 with 3D support
Media players: Xtreamer Prodigy & Apple TV
Bedroom:
TV: Samsung 46” 3D1080p LED LCD
HD Audio\Video Receiver: Onkyo hdmi 1.4 with 3D support
Media players: Boxee Box & Apple TV
Cinema\Gaming room:
130” Cinema Permscreen
Panasonic PT-2000 1080P projector with 24p support
HD Audio\Video Receiver: Onkyo hdmi 1.4 with 3D support
Media Player: Popcorn C200 (still use it for excellent bd-iso support en HD audio bit streaming is working perfect)
Office:
Monitor: 27” Dell Ultrasharp U2711
Media Player: Xtreamer Sidewinder.
Everything was working fine for several month\years but after seeing constellation on an IPad at my friend’s house controlling XBMC I wanted to own my own XBMC setup again.
3 months ago I bought an Asrock ION 3D 152B mini pc with an NVidia GT218-ION video chipset to replace the Xtreamer Prodigy in the living room so that the prodigy would replace the old Xtreamer sidewinder in the office.
I Installed Windows7 with XBMC EDEN 11.0 using it with the Aeon Nox skin.
We watched all movies & tv series without any problems for over 2 months in the living room (off course automatically frame rate change is on).
I had no lip-sync issues on any material (I am a critical watcher and I notice flaws like lip-sync issues, subtitle issues very fast).
The XBMC experience was very good, so +\- 2 months later we decided to replace the Boxee Box in the bedroom with a 2nd Asrock ION 3D 152B (exactly the same as the first one).
Windows8 just came out and also the first beta of Frodo was out when I received my 2nd Asrock.
So I decided to install them on the new Asrock, then the lip-sync issues began in the bedroom.
Without knowing about the 24p issues that a lot of users were having I sorted out that I only had it on 24p material. When I set not to change the refresh rate and leave it as (60 Hz) is I had no sync issues with the 24p material. My offset was: delay -0.175 to have a good sync, sync settings on my audio\video receiver was not changing anything notable.
First I thought it was one of the drivers like NVidia GPU or ION chipset (BIOS was the newest like my other Asrock) and I was using the newest drivers of all my devices and the same that I was using for my other Asrock on Windows7.
Then I thought it was XBMC Frodo so I took all the XBMC EDEN related folders on my 1st Asrock player and copied it to my new Asrock so that I had exactly the same settings etc. but still lip sync issues.
So then i thought it was windows8, so I formatted en installed Windows7 with XBMC EDEN with all the same drivers as my 1st Asrock ION and guess what, still the same sync issues.
Only thing that came up at that moment that my new Asrock had a hardware flaw, but I still wasn’t sure if maybe I forgot some config or whatever what I set on the first ION that was working perfectly in the living room.
So I took the harddrive out the Asrock from the living room and put that one in the 2nd Asrock from the bedroom and guess what… still sync issues, then I put the harddrive from my 2nd Asrock that was having the sync issues in my 1st Asrock from the living room and had “NO” sync issues in the living room.
So now I knew it was not the windows\xbmc that was causing this issue, but that was not good at all because the only thing I came up with is that the 2nd Asrock must have a hardware flaw that was causing this.
I then searched the internet and read about the 24p issues that a lot of people were having but on different devices running XBMC. What bothered me was that a lot of users were having the exact same delay of -0,175 on the sync issues. I was very confused like u guys and left it like it is.
Don’t ask me why but a couple of days later I did something that I had to do in the very beginning when I saw the sync issues in the bed room.
I picked the perfect working Asrock from the living room and connected it in the bedroom and guess what SYNC ISSUES, I connected my 2nd Asrock in the living room and now that one had “NO” sync issues at all.
Immediately I knew it must be my other hardware in the bedroom the tv or audio\video receiver or maybe the HDMI cables.
So I connected the Asrock directly to the TV without the audio\video receiver and damn still sync issues…
Maybe try another HDMI cable.. but still sync issues…
I connected both Asrock players in the living room… both players were working perfect in sync on my Panasonic plasma.
So then I knew it .. it was my Samsung LED LCD in the bedroom that was causing this problem.
Strange thing was that I had the Boxee Box and before that an Xtreamer sidewinder connected to this screen and never had issues with lip sync on 24p material. And still not if I connected the Boxee Box again.
I left it like it was and became watching with the delay of -0175 in place in the bedroom.
After a couple of days we were going to watch a movie in the living room.
Every time the Asrock boots into windows my Panasonic plasma automatically changes my tv into gaming mode (pop-up comes on screen telling me gaming mode is on) Damn I see this every time why didn’t I came up with this earlier.
I knew my Samsung tv in the bedroom also has an option to turn on “gaming mode”
So I went to the bedroom and search for that option in my tv menu and turned it on, and changed the delay to zero.
And guess what that was my solution.
I think there are some HDMI handshake issues with my Samsung 3D tv or that the Asrock NVIDIA GPU can’t get the DMT\refresh rate settings right for it or the TV gives wrong info to the Nvidia GPU.
I have been watching for a couple of days in the bedroom and the sync settings are gone. When I turn gaming mode off they are back again. So I leave it turned on. (had to calibrate my Samsung tv again in this setup)
I hope this is a solution for some of u guys if not this is a lot of reading material..
Greetings
Werie (The Netherlands)
I don't think this will fix it for everyone, but maybe i can help some of you people.
I'm going to tell the whole story and how i have solved this issue for me.
So “we” (me and my wife) used several media players over these years like XBMC on a barebone pc (long time ago), Popcorn C200, Xtreamer Sidewinder, Xtreamer Prodigy, Boxee Box.
We got 4 places to watch media: living room, bedroom, cinema\gaming room and the office.
The Setups:
All devices in my house is wired on gigabit cat6e cable with off course gigabit switches.
My media is shared on a Synology DS1812 NAS using SMB for windows (only popcorn c200 uses NFS)
All my devices (media players, settop boxes and gaming consoles) are hdmi wired trough every of my audio\video receivers and I always use bit streaming on the devices that can handle it.
Living room hardware:
TV: Panasonic VT30 3D 1080p 50” Plasma.
HD Audio\Video Receiver: Denon hdmi 1.4 with 3D support
Media players: Xtreamer Prodigy & Apple TV
Bedroom:
TV: Samsung 46” 3D1080p LED LCD
HD Audio\Video Receiver: Onkyo hdmi 1.4 with 3D support
Media players: Boxee Box & Apple TV
Cinema\Gaming room:
130” Cinema Permscreen
Panasonic PT-2000 1080P projector with 24p support
HD Audio\Video Receiver: Onkyo hdmi 1.4 with 3D support
Media Player: Popcorn C200 (still use it for excellent bd-iso support en HD audio bit streaming is working perfect)
Office:
Monitor: 27” Dell Ultrasharp U2711
Media Player: Xtreamer Sidewinder.
Everything was working fine for several month\years but after seeing constellation on an IPad at my friend’s house controlling XBMC I wanted to own my own XBMC setup again.
3 months ago I bought an Asrock ION 3D 152B mini pc with an NVidia GT218-ION video chipset to replace the Xtreamer Prodigy in the living room so that the prodigy would replace the old Xtreamer sidewinder in the office.
I Installed Windows7 with XBMC EDEN 11.0 using it with the Aeon Nox skin.
We watched all movies & tv series without any problems for over 2 months in the living room (off course automatically frame rate change is on).
I had no lip-sync issues on any material (I am a critical watcher and I notice flaws like lip-sync issues, subtitle issues very fast).
The XBMC experience was very good, so +\- 2 months later we decided to replace the Boxee Box in the bedroom with a 2nd Asrock ION 3D 152B (exactly the same as the first one).
Windows8 just came out and also the first beta of Frodo was out when I received my 2nd Asrock.
So I decided to install them on the new Asrock, then the lip-sync issues began in the bedroom.
Without knowing about the 24p issues that a lot of users were having I sorted out that I only had it on 24p material. When I set not to change the refresh rate and leave it as (60 Hz) is I had no sync issues with the 24p material. My offset was: delay -0.175 to have a good sync, sync settings on my audio\video receiver was not changing anything notable.
First I thought it was one of the drivers like NVidia GPU or ION chipset (BIOS was the newest like my other Asrock) and I was using the newest drivers of all my devices and the same that I was using for my other Asrock on Windows7.
Then I thought it was XBMC Frodo so I took all the XBMC EDEN related folders on my 1st Asrock player and copied it to my new Asrock so that I had exactly the same settings etc. but still lip sync issues.
So then i thought it was windows8, so I formatted en installed Windows7 with XBMC EDEN with all the same drivers as my 1st Asrock ION and guess what, still the same sync issues.
Only thing that came up at that moment that my new Asrock had a hardware flaw, but I still wasn’t sure if maybe I forgot some config or whatever what I set on the first ION that was working perfectly in the living room.
So I took the harddrive out the Asrock from the living room and put that one in the 2nd Asrock from the bedroom and guess what… still sync issues, then I put the harddrive from my 2nd Asrock that was having the sync issues in my 1st Asrock from the living room and had “NO” sync issues in the living room.
So now I knew it was not the windows\xbmc that was causing this issue, but that was not good at all because the only thing I came up with is that the 2nd Asrock must have a hardware flaw that was causing this.
I then searched the internet and read about the 24p issues that a lot of people were having but on different devices running XBMC. What bothered me was that a lot of users were having the exact same delay of -0,175 on the sync issues. I was very confused like u guys and left it like it is.
Don’t ask me why but a couple of days later I did something that I had to do in the very beginning when I saw the sync issues in the bed room.
I picked the perfect working Asrock from the living room and connected it in the bedroom and guess what SYNC ISSUES, I connected my 2nd Asrock in the living room and now that one had “NO” sync issues at all.
Immediately I knew it must be my other hardware in the bedroom the tv or audio\video receiver or maybe the HDMI cables.
So I connected the Asrock directly to the TV without the audio\video receiver and damn still sync issues…
Maybe try another HDMI cable.. but still sync issues…
I connected both Asrock players in the living room… both players were working perfect in sync on my Panasonic plasma.
So then I knew it .. it was my Samsung LED LCD in the bedroom that was causing this problem.
Strange thing was that I had the Boxee Box and before that an Xtreamer sidewinder connected to this screen and never had issues with lip sync on 24p material. And still not if I connected the Boxee Box again.
I left it like it was and became watching with the delay of -0175 in place in the bedroom.
After a couple of days we were going to watch a movie in the living room.
Every time the Asrock boots into windows my Panasonic plasma automatically changes my tv into gaming mode (pop-up comes on screen telling me gaming mode is on) Damn I see this every time why didn’t I came up with this earlier.
I knew my Samsung tv in the bedroom also has an option to turn on “gaming mode”
So I went to the bedroom and search for that option in my tv menu and turned it on, and changed the delay to zero.
And guess what that was my solution.
I think there are some HDMI handshake issues with my Samsung 3D tv or that the Asrock NVIDIA GPU can’t get the DMT\refresh rate settings right for it or the TV gives wrong info to the Nvidia GPU.
I have been watching for a couple of days in the bedroom and the sync settings are gone. When I turn gaming mode off they are back again. So I leave it turned on. (had to calibrate my Samsung tv again in this setup)
I hope this is a solution for some of u guys if not this is a lot of reading material..
Greetings
Werie (The Netherlands)
