This thread is dedicated to HTPC's and media players ideally capable of providing the following via Kodi:
- Full resolution 3D (MVC decoding with frame-packing rendering)
- Full HD audio passthrough (if not, at least decoding to lossless PCM multichannel)
- 4K (with 60fps and 10-bit support, ideally w/HDR) (but, a secondary consideration, at least for this thread. For now, 4K support won't affect player ratings as #1 & 2 remain priorities for this thread)
Bottom line is that your mileage may very well vary. Please use below only as a starting guide. Please ask questions in this or other 3D threads, and conduct additional research. I'm not to blame if you choose any solution and are disappointed for any reason .
Select from These Best Options: (and save yourself headaches w/the rest )
Players with 'A' grades are not perfect. Nothing is. However, 'A' players get the key requirements of this thread right, with any shortcoming noted. In below, '+' denotes a positive, '-' a shortcoming, and '>' is neutral.
Note: There are two players from Egreat that were included below, but removed as they use VidOn XBMC Pro as their centerpiece. Egreat let me know they cannot open up source as required by GPL rules as VidOn had paid a lot of money to develop their Kodi fork, and for optimization on A5 and A10 players. Unfortunately, this means we can't discuss these players. You can find what's left of the thread here for reference.
#1 / Intel HTPC's or NUC's with Kodi MVC Build / A
+ Simply gorgeous 3D PQ! Very detailed, amazing depth, spot-on saturation, and just crystal clear!
+ Support for both MVC MKV's and 3D ISO's
+ Integrated 3D MVC and HD audio playback via Kodi! No external player
+ Perfect 23.976 and other framerates
+ Auto flip-eyes of right-eye first 3D titles
+ Auto-switching to 3D mode for 3D HSBS and HTAB (HOU) videos, if named correctly
+ Full HD audio bitstreaming (inclusive of DD+/HRA and ATMOS/X) (check here as a few ATOM-based options can only decode to multichannel PCM)
+ Plenty of h/w choices; just see thread linked above!
> Requires Windows 8 or 10 (latter recommended), so may not be everyone's cup o' tea
> Not a plug-and-play solution; requires some set-up work (honestly not difficult w/all-inclusive micro PC's; see this spreadsheet)
> MVC solution will remain a Kodi fork and this won't be integrated into mainline (will require continued support by sole developer @afedchin as of now, so there's uncertainly about its future)
- Supports rests on a sole developer, @afedchin, but he has been updating fairly actively, and providing some support to users
@hdmkv-recommended hardware options and costs:
(But, additionally seek others' advice in this thread)
- Dell Inspiron Micro 3050 ($150 or less). Windows 10, 32GB SSD and 2GB RAM all included. Nothing to assemble, fairly plug-and-play. See my review here. For just Kodi use (and maybe web browsing), an excellent value, but obviously not as fast an i3 or i5.
- Intel D34010WYK NUC (about $190 all in; read how below and in my review). Buy the NUC used off eBay, plus 32GB SSD (16GB is fine as well) and 4GB RAM. Must assemble these yourself, but not hard. Get Windows 10 free this way (it's legit).
- Intel D54250WYK, NUC5i5RYK or NUC5i5RYH NUC's (over $400). With SSD and RAM added, pricey. And, not really necessary for mostly Kodi use. It's overkill, but if you want a powerful HTPC, may be worth considering.
- Intel 'Kaby Lake'. Recommend getting dual HDMI 1.4 and 2.0a ports h/w (like this) so you can enjoy 3D MVC and full 10-bit 4K, with 1080p for former and 4K graphics setting for latter. Presently, due to an Intel driver issue, 3D MVC doesn't work when resolution is set to 4K
#2 / Zidoo X9S, X8 or X10 / A-
+ 3D ISO's + 3D MVC MKV's + full HD audio bitstreaming + full 4K!
+ 4K support includes 60fps, 10-bit, and HDR
+ All 4K, whether H.264 or HEVC, playback very smooth (w/only VP9 isn't perfectly smooth)
+ Excellent PQ with native player
+ Full HD audio bitstreaming (inclusive of DD+/HRA and ATMOS/X) (with both native player and ZDMC)
+ Plug-and-play (just make correct settings as detailed in review link above)
+ 23.976 and 29.970 supported well (FPS in/out) for all 2D (720p/1080p/4K) and 3D (1080p)
- There may still be some stability issues as Zidoo continues to tweak f/w
Options and costs:
- $129/149 off Amazon for X9S; $109 for X8; $229 for X10
- Zappiti 4K HDR players (€207.50/€249.17/€332.50) based on RTD1295; see review @AVSForum of the Duo unit here
Xtreamer eXpress (€149), also based on Realtek's RTD1295 SoC, with 3.5" HDD support. But, as it's Xtreamer, tread carefully; they have a shady past to overcome and prove this isn't just another flashy product that's a letdown ultimatelyStay away; doesn't look like Xtreamer has changed its old ways
- Q5/Q10 Pro, as well as Egreat A5/A10, are also alternatives (different SoC, w/slightly superior a/v performance on some aspects)
#3 / HiMedia Q5 Pro or Q10 Pro / B+
+ 3D ISO's + full HD audio bitstreaming + full 4K!
+ 4K support includes 60fps, 10-bit, and HDR
+ All 4K, whether H.264 or HEVC, playback very smooth
+ Excellent PQ
+ Full HD audio bitstreaming (inclusive of DD+/HRA and ATMOS/X)
+ Almost plug-and-play (just install wrapper, adjust settings)
+ 23.976 and 29.970 now supported well (FPS in/out) for all 2D (720p/1080p/4K)
- 23.976 3D ISO's still have minor, but definitely noticeable and bothersome microstutters (as output in 24.000) (This issue isn't expected to be resolved anytime soon)
- For hi-res audio, passes 96Khz & 192Khz with LPCM, but only at 16-bit (not 24-bit) (audio fanatics won't like this)
> Requires a 'wrapper' for Kodi to push actual video playback to native HiSilicon-based player, so an external playback solution (may be a negative to some)
> Supports MVC in ISO only, not MKV yet (a negative to those who've used MakeMKV to rip MVC MKV's for their 3D collection)
Options and costs:
- Q10 Pro (with interbal 3.5" HDD option) is about $205 shipped. They were initially $200 shipped off eBay, so may be worth waiting for price to settle
- Q5 Pro (w/o internal HDD option) is available for about $149
- Zidoo X9S (similar in feel to HiMedia, even w/different SoC) is available for $149, and X8, cheaper yet (price TBA)
- Egreat A5/A10 (same SoC) (former w/o internal HDD option; latter with), but with VidOn XBMC (vs. official Kodi w/wrapper)
#4 / Raspberry Pi3 with LibreELEC Test Builds / B+
+ Small footprint and fairly cheap!
+ LibreELEC provides that turn-on-and-just-use media player feel
+ Integrated 3D MVC playback via Kodi! No external player
+ Support for both MVC MKV's and 3D ISO's
+ Perfect 23.976 and other framerates
+ Excellent PQ
+ Awesome support by Kodi devs involved
- No HD audio bitstreaming, only multichannel. Metadata (describing how things like dynamic range compression and dialog normalization should be handled) will be lost. But, this may not matter to many users
- As no bitstreaming, ATMOS and DTS:X are completely lost
- Slow/sluggish, especially compared to above 3D media player options
Options and costs:
- About $70-75 for complete kits off Amazon. Includes RPi3, case, mSD card and power supply
- Add about $5 to above if MPEG2 and VC-1 are important to you, to buy h/w decoding licenses here. Poor, choppy playback without, w/just s/w decode
- Not worth buying RPi2 to save a few bucks
Other Kodi 3D Capable Options: (but, why choose any of these for 3D with better options above?!):
- AMLogic S8xx & S9xx Players (as they can only render 3D MVC in half-rez, even with SPMC 16.x.x)
- Himedia H8 Octa (it's an okay player, and not well-supported; Rockchip SoC mostly sucks)
- Open Hour Chameleon (Rockchip RK3288) (crap)
- Open Hour Gecko (HiSilicon Hi3798C) (crap)
- Tronsmart S95 with VidOn Pro (half-rez MVC 3D render, no 23.976; in fact, everything is same rez as UI)
- VidOn Box (Allwinner A31s) (first-ever Kodi 3D media player; no longer sold or supported)
- Xtreamer Prodigy 4K/Zidoo X9/Egreat A9 (all Mstar9180-based) (all crap)
- Zappiti 4K series/Bluetimes RTD 1195/Eweat EW902 (all Realtek RTD1195-based) (subpar or crap)
- Zidoo X6 Pro (too many issues; Rockchip SoC mostly sucks)
Popular Kodi Boxes that DO NOT Support MVC 3D:
- nVidia Shield TV (MVC was repeatedly requested, but nVidia has decided not to add support )
- Google Nexus Player
- Amazon Fire TV
- WeTek Hub and Play2
- Any other box not listed or mentioned as supporting 3D in this thread
Background on 3D and Formats:
Please see this post in wrxtasy's 'Pick the Right Kodi Box' thread to understand what kind of Kodi 3D boxes are available (and how 3D is implemented by manufacturers). Why can't all Kodi 3D players support full 3D as seamlessly as RPi2/3 (and now Intel h/w with Windows) do? See noggin's explanation here.
For naming your 3D videos so whatever skin you're using properly picks them up, see here for ISO's and this wiki.
Most recent media players (as of 2012) don't support the full, orginal Blu-ray menus on discs or full ISO rips. This is due to Cinavia copy protection, which was made mandatory for any device to receive a full Blu-ray license. This license is required to access the full BD-Java menus on Blu-ray discs. So, either (a) a media player manufacturers would need to get full licensing, bringing Cinavia with it, and rendering audio to distorted or no output from ripped ISO's & MKV's; or, (b) they'd opt to do what was the better alternative: say screw-you to Cinavia, lose full menus, and provide simple BD-lite menus. Here's what it looks like on HiMedia Q5/Q10, and here's how Kodi does it (as do other Kodi UI-wrapped video player solutions like HiMedia H8 & Zidoo X6).
But, wait, VidOn supports those full, original BD-J menus you might counter... yes & no. VidOn is accomplishing this in a hacky, kludgy manner, and results are inconsistent, unreliable. Also, while you may get full menus via VidOn, you'll only get half-rez 3D output, no 23.976 (or even 24fps, only whatever UI is at) with HD audio (can't do both), and AVR/display compatibility issues. I decided I didn't care for menus long ago & keep movie-only ISO's & MKV's from all my discs. Just take me straight to the movie, and quickly, please .
Want Full-featured 3D with Windows?
Check out @brazen1's thorough guide! While the latest Intel drivers and Kodi MVC builds support 3D ISO and MVC MKV playback, only way to get menus and additional features remains via external players like PowerDVD and TotalMedia Theatre for Kodi to leverage.
3D ISO's vs. MKV's:
For widest compatibility with 3D Kodi media players, I recommend ripping 3D Blu-rays to ISO, either full disc via AnyDVD HD or movie-only ISO via AnyDVD HD & tsMuxeR (see guide to do this here, and rely on this to identify forced forced subs to mux in). MKV is a more efficient container and requires less CPU power to split/play vs. ISO, but only RPi2/3, Intel (HT)PC's under Windows 8/10, and couple of other players (like Himedia H8 & Zidoo X6) support it.
Another benefit of ripping to movie-only ISO's or MKV's is forced subtitles. A number of players don't support it, so if you separate the forced sub only, you can create a new ISO or MKV with just that subtitle track.
Why Those Weird Vertical Bands on Left/Right Edges of Some 3D Movies:
This appears to be intentional by studios. See this thread over at Blu-ray.com for details.
Right-eye First 3D Blu-ray's:
Most 3D Blu-ray's are left-eye first, but a few are authored right-eye first. This isn't an issue for actual Blu-ray players, but can often be for Kodi and media players. For these, unless the player/app can detect right-eye first and auto-invert, you'll need to do this manually via the player's flip-eyes or swap-left/right function. Otherwise, the 3D picture gets displayed improperly and looks garbled (sort of like looking into a mirror with multiple cracks).
- The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Trader
- The Darkest Hour (reported by @ArieS)
- Dolphin Tale
- Drive Angry
- Edge of Tomorrow
- Ghostbusters (2016)
- Gulliver's Travels
- The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
- The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
- The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
- Ice Age 3: Dawn of the Dinosaurs
- Journey to Space (reported by @ArieS)
- The Jungle Book (reported by @Charger Hellcat)
- Life of Pi (reported by @movie78)
- Pan (reported by @movie78)
- The Peanuts Movie (reported by @ArieS)
- A Turtle's Tale: Sammy's Adventures
3D, HD audio & framerate test clips collection: Please see this wiki.
Broken links or missing any clips you use or know of? Please PM me.
Not Included Above:
- Full 3D players w/o Kodi; options like Mede8er X3D series, Popcorn Hour A-400/500 series or VTEN, and now Dune Solo 4K. Without Kodi, each has to rely on its own convoluted jukebox/front-end system (subpar attempts to achieve Kodi's look) to manage your local movie & TV libraries.
- Requirements like Netflix, Amazon and HBO Go. All can be sideloaded onto Android-based players (except RPi), but as they're tablet version experiences, you really need a mouse/keyboard combo or air-mouse remote to navigate, and resolution is capped at 480p. Also, video isn't smooth on some boxes (like HiMedia). Intel h/w will do Netflix, Amazon VOD, etc. in HD via Windows 8/10. If premium content streaming is important, you're really better off with Fire TV, Nexus Player, nVidia Shield TV or even a Roku.
Analysis and Inventory of the Best Uses of 3D:
- 3D Strength: Mild, Medium, Strong, Extreme by @Zivouhr at Blu-ray.com forum
- 3D Blu-rays with changing aspect ratios & frame breaking by @Tonppa at Blu-ray.com forum
Below consolidated from my post elsewhere, as well by movie78's & looun's. Some are native 3D, other conversions. Doesn't matter; it's about 3D done right!
What a few great directors say about 3D:
- The living-legend Martin Scorsese
- The groundbreaker Ridley Scott
- The innovator James Cameron
- The artist Ang Lee
- The boundary-pusher Alfonso Cuaron
- The inventive Robert Zemeckis
- The action standard-setter George 'Mad Max' Miller
Must-haves in green!
- 300 Rise of an Empire (2014)
- A Monster in Paris (2011)
- Ant-Man (2015)
- The Art of Flight (2011)
- The Adventures of Tintin (2011)
- Avatar (2009) Still an awesome experience as ever! Can't wait for sequels to hit!
- David Attenborough's Conquest of the Skies (TV)
- David Attenborough's Kingdom of Plants (TV)
- David Attenborough's Natural History Museum Alive (TV)
- Despicable Me 1 & 2 (2010/2013) Don't miss the made-for-3D end credits!
- Doctor Strange (2016) Great movie, excellent 3D!
- Dredd (2012)
- Earthflight (2011)
- Edge of Tomorrow (2014)
- Enchanted Kingdom (2014) A must watch with ATMOS!
- Everest (2015) Excellent 3D + ATMOS = total immersion!
- Galapagos with David Attenborough (TV)
- Ghostbusters (2016) Terrific fun, w/plenty of ghostly, in-your-face pop-outs!
- Ghosts of the Abyss (2003) Terrific 3D; expect nothing less from James Cameron
- G.I. Joe Retaliation (2013)
- Godzilla (2014)
- Gravity (2013) With ATMOS, it's one of the most immersive experiences to be had!
- Guardians of the Galaxy (2014) Well-done depth, dimensionality
- Guns N' Roses Appetite for Democracy (2014)
- The Hobbit trilogy (2012-2014)
- Hugo (2011) Meant to be watched in 3D; beautiful film by Scorsese
- How to Train Your Dragon 1 & 2 (2010/2014)
- IMAX: Deep Sea (2006)
- IMAX: Hubble (2010) Whoa!
- IMAX: Journey to Space (2015) Excellent 3D and ATMOS!
- IMAX Space Station (2010)
- IMAX: The Ultimate Wave Tahiti (2010)
- IMAX: Under the Sea (2009)
- In the Heart of the Sea (2015) Underrated drama, w/solid use of 3D
- James Cameron's Deepsea Challenge (2014)
- Jurassic Park (1993) Terrific conversion to 3D
- Jurassic World (2015)
- Kung Fu Panda 1, 2 & 3 (2008/2011/2016) All 3 have excellent 3D!
- Life of Pi (2012)
- 'Lichtmond' 1 / 2 / 3 / The Journey (2010/2012/2014/2016) Trippy, immersive 3D digital effects
- The Little Prince (2015)
- Mad Max Fury Road (2015)
- The Martian (2015) Ridley Scott directed this with 3D in mind
- Metallica Through the Never (2013)
- Micro Monsters with David Attenborough (TV)
- Mr. Peabody & Sherman (2014)
- Nitro Circus The Movie (2012)
- Pacific Rim (2013)
- Prometheus (2012)
- Sammy's Adventures 1 & 2 (2010/2012)
- San Andreas (2015) Another demo-worthy title with ATMOS!
- Shrek 1, 2, 3 & 4 (2001/2004/2007/2010)
- Sin City A Dame to Kill For (2014)
- Star Trek Into Darkness (2013)
- Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015)
- Tangled (2010)
- Terminator Genisys (2015)
- Titanic (1997) Amazing conversion!
- Thunder and the House of Magic (2013)
- Top Gun (1986) Another well-done conversion
- Toy Story 1, 2 & 3 (1995/1999/2010)
- TRON Legacy (2010)
- The Walk (2015)
- Wreck-It Ralph (2012)
- The Young and Prodigious T.S. Spivet (2013) Underrated gem conceived in/for 3D!
- 3-D Rarities (2015)
- Bait (2012)
- Drive Angry (2011) Very definition of 'guilty pleasure'; terrific 3D!
- Epic (2013)
- Final Destination 5 (2011)
- Free Birds (2013)
- Gods of Egypt (2016)
- Grand Canyon Adventure River at Risk (2008)
- Journey to the Center of the Earth / Journey 2 The Mysterious Island (2008/2012) Great pop-outs!
- Jupiter Ascending (2015)
- Madagascar 3 Europe's Most Wanted (2012)
- Pixels (2015) An okay flick made better, more fun thanks to 3D
- Point Break (2015)
- Pompeii (2014)
- Resident Evil Afterlife / Retribution (2010/2012) 'Retribution' in particular makes great use of 3D; fun
- Robinson Crusoe (aka 'The Wild Life') By Ben Stassen, filmmaker behind 'Sammy's Adventures' 1 & 2, and 'Thunder and the House of Magic'
- Sanctum (2011)
- Seventh Son (2014)
- SpongeBob Movie Sponge Out of Water, The (2015)
- Step Up 3D (2010)
- Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2014)
- Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows (2016)
- A Very Harold & Kumar Christmas (2011)
- Yogi Bear (2010)
- Coyote and Road Runner Coyote Falls
- Coyote and Road Runner Fur of Flying
- Coyote and Road Runner Rabid Rider
- Delicious Food Fight (Samsung demo) Use a YouTube downloader to get 1080p HSBS version
- Michael Jackson's 'Thriller' sequence from 'This is It' 3D Blu-ray Pop-out scares galore! Fun!
- Mickey Mouse Get a Horse!
- Ruin (2011) Available on 'The Maze Runner (2014)' Blu-ray
- Tweety & Sylvester I Tawt I Taw a Puddy Tat
- Sanjay's Super Team
- More terrific 3D animated shorts
More 3D Resources: